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CLDR Ticket #10185(accepted data)

Opened 8 months ago

Last modified 3 months ago

Misspells of Ukrainian cities names and site broken link report

Reported by: class.od.ua@… Owned by: discuss
Component: timezone Data Locale:
Phase: dsub Review:
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Description

According to multilingual, multiscriptual dataset of names of countries, capitals and major cities of UNGEGN World Geographical Names at https://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/geonames/

The World Factbook of CIA at https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/up.html

the correct English names of Ukrainian cities are :

Kyiv not Kiev
Odesa not Odessa
Zaporizhzhia not Zaporozhye
Uzhhorod not Uzhgorod

P.S.: There is a 404 link (http://www.populationmondiale.com/pronun.htm ) on page http://cldr.unicode.org/index/bug-reports

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comment:1 Changed 8 months ago by emmons

  • Owner changed from anybody to pedberg
  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Type changed from unknown to data
  • Component changed from unknown to other
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 32

comment:2 follow-up: ↓ 4 Changed 3 months ago by pedberg

CLDR prefers the conventional or common names to the official names. If I go to the US Board on Geographical Names (https://geonames.usgs.gov/foreign/index.html) and search the database (http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/) for the conventional names for these, the current CLDR names are all listed as either conventional or variant names.

And if I look at Google hits, I see:

  • Kiev (123,000,000) vs Kyiv (26,900,00)
  • Odessa (68,600,000) vs Odesa (5,340,000)
  • Zaporozhye (4,250,000) vs Zaporizhzhia (249,000)
  • Uzhgorod (3,660,000) vs Uzhhorod (860,000)

Since in general, CLDR aims to be descriptive and not proscriptive, the current CLDR names still seem to be much more widely used.

As for the bad link, thanks, I deleted that, there does not seem to be a good replacement.

Last edited 3 months ago by pedberg (previous) (diff)

comment:3 Changed 3 months ago by pedberg

  • Cc mark, emmons added
  • Phase changed from dsub to rc
  • Status changed from accepted to closed
  • Resolution set to as-designed

comment:4 in reply to: ↑ 2 Changed 3 months ago by class.od.ua@…

  • Status changed from closed to new

CLDR aims to be descriptive and not proscriptive, but in facts Wikipedia or PHP, Python and etc., use CLDR. And now it is unbreakable circle. Sites developed using those languages and sources indexed by search engine are commonly use wrong names from CLDR, and wrong names can't be changed in case it so called "common" by search engine.

Replying to pedberg:

CLDR prefers the conventional or common names to the official names. If I go to the US Board on Geographical Names (https://geonames.usgs.gov/foreign/index.html) and search the database (http://geonames.nga.mil/namesgaz/) for the conventional names for these, the current CLDR names are all listed as either conventional or variant names.

And if I look at Google hits, I see:

  • Kiev (123,000,000) vs Kyiv (26,900,00)
  • Odessa (68,600,000) vs Odesa (5,340,000)
  • Zaporozhye (4,250,000) vs Zaporizhzhia (249,000)
  • Uzhgorod (3,660,000) vs Uzhhorod (860,000)

Since in general, CLDR aims to be descriptive and not proscriptive, the current CLDR names still seem to be much more widely used.

comment:5 Changed 3 months ago by pedberg

  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Component changed from other to timezone
  • Phase changed from rc to dsub
  • Milestone changed from 32 to UNSCH
  • Owner changed from pedberg to discuss
  • Resolution as-designed deleted
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