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CLDR Ticket #10277(new unknown)

Opened 11 days ago

Last modified 8 days ago

Add language to Sweden(SE)

Reported by: tilljohanvia@… Owned by: anybody
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German, 26 %, according to Eurobarometer 386, where I imagine the data for English in Sweden is taken from.

Table D48T1 here:
https://data.europa.eu/euodp/en/data/dataset/S1049_77_1_EBS386/resource/4dc7b68e-ecfa-4139-8189-c4377ec97f8b

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VolumeAEB771EACmultilingualism20120316.xls (1.2 MB) - added by fredrik 9 days ago.
The linked results the originator is referencing, attached for convenience.

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comment:1 Changed 9 days ago by fredrik

My understanding is that the question in this survey pertains to persons' second language, not primary language, and is phrased "D48T1 - Languages that you speak well enough in order to be able to have a conversation".

The answer that 26% of respondents feel comfortable enough with German is not surprising as it is commonly taught in schools as a second language, but does not indicate that 26% of the Swedish population use it as a primary language. To this point, only 5% of respondents in Sweden listed Swedish...

Changed 9 days ago by fredrik

The linked results the originator is referencing, attached for convenience.

comment:2 Changed 9 days ago by tilljohanvia@…

Indeed. http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/supplemental/territory_language_information.html states "The main goal for CLDR language data is to provide approximate figures for the literate, functional population for each language in each territory: that is, the population that is able to read and write each language, and is comfortable enough to use it with computers" – I think it's a decent approximation of this. If not, or if I'm misunderstanding the goal of this list, the existing numbers for English in Sweden should probably be removed; when the figure 86% of Swedes use English is mentioned, it's always almost from the same source – very few Swedes speak English as their first language, but the vast majority should probably be considered functionally literate.

comment:3 Changed 9 days ago by rick

See also this page, which is a work in progress: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/lang-pop-data-updates

comment:4 Changed 9 days ago by tilljohanvia@…

Thank you. Let me contextualize my request: Since a little while, Wikipedia is using this data to help determine what languages to serve for the compact list of language links when a page is available in many other languages. For that reason, I was hoping to add the culturally and speaker-wise most important languages in Sweden.

*) Norwegian and Danish, that are largely mutually intelligible with Swedish, especially in text, and used interchangeably in certain Scandinavian organizations, and share specific cultural ties.

*) German, French and Spanish, together with English (already in the list) the culturally most important foreign languages, taught in schools from a young age and spoken by sizeable parts of the population.

*) Arabic, together with Finnish (already in the list) the most important immigrant language.

comment:5 Changed 8 days ago by kent.karlsson14@…

See also ticket:9938.

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