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CLDR Ticket #10849(closed data: fixed)

Opened 7 months ago

Last modified 6 months ago

Draft RBNF for Fulfulde

Reported by: kent.karlsson14@… Owned by: grhoten
Component: rbnf Data Locale: ff
Phase: dsub Review: sascha
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Description

%spellout-numbering-year:
x.x: =#0.##=;
0: =%spellout-numbering=;

%spellout-numbering:
0: =%spellout-cardinal=;

%spellout-cardinal:
NaN: alaa limoore;
Inf: infinity;
-x: minus >>;
x.x: << poofirgel >>;
0: ɓolum;
1: goʼo;
2: ɗiɗi;
3: tati;
4: nawi;
5: jowi;
6: jeegoʼo;
7: jeeɗiɗi;
8: jeetati;
9: jeenawi;
10: sappo[ e >>];
20: noogas[ e >>];
30: cepanze <<[ e >>];
100: temedere <<[ e >>];
1000: ujunere <<[ e >>];
1000000: miliyo <<[, >>];
1000000000: miliyaari <<[, >>];
1000000000000: biliyo <<[, >>];
1000000000000000: biliyaari <<[, >>];
1000000000000000000: =#,##0.#=;

%spellout-cardinal-o-class:
NaN: alaa limoore;
Inf: infinity;
-x: minus >>;
x.x: << poofirgel >>;
0: ɓolum;
1: gooto;
2: ɗiɗo;
3: tato;
4: nawo;
5: njowo;
6: jeegomo;
7: jeeɗiɗo;
8: jeetato;
9: jeenawo;
10: sappo[ e >>];
20: noogas[ e >>];
30: cepanze <<[ e >>];
100: temedere <<[ e >>];
1000: ujunere <<[ e >>];
1000000: miliyo <<[, >>];
1000000000: miliyaari <<[, >>];
1000000000000: biliyo <<[, >>];
1000000000000000: biliyaari <<[, >>];
1000000000000000000: =#,##0.#=;

%spellout-ordinal:
NaN: alaa limoore;
Inf: infinity;
-x: minus >>;
x.x: << poofirgel >>;
0: ɓolum;
1: arande;
2: ɗiɗaɓo;
3: tatiaɓo;
4: nawaɓo;
5: jowaɓo;
6: jeearande;
7: jeeɗiɗaɓo;
8: jeetataɓo;
9: jeenawaɓo;
10: sappo[ e >>];
20: noogas[ e >>];
30: cepanze <<[ e >>];
100: temedere <<[ e >>];
1000: ujunere <<[ e >>];
1000000: miliyo <<[, >>];
1000000000: miliyaari <<[, >>];
1000000000000: biliyo <<[, >>];
1000000000000000: biliyaari <<[, >>];
1000000000000000000: =#,##0.#=;

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comment:1 Changed 7 months ago by mark

  • Owner changed from anybody to grhoten
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 33

comment:2 Changed 7 months ago by grhoten

What is "spellout-cardinal-o-class"? Is that for counting only humans? If so, wouldn't "spellout-cardinal-human" be a better name for the rule? That would make it clearer on the purpose of the rules.

comment:3 Changed 7 months ago by kent.karlsson14@…

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C9%97i%C9%97i says:

Alternative forms
ɗiɗo (used with "o" class nouns, notably of people)

I take "notably" to mean "mostly but not only". I thought it safer to refer to "o-class", as a grammatical class (as we usually do), rather than referring to "human"/"people".

comment:4 Changed 7 months ago by grhoten

I've been trying to use more commonly used grammeme names, like the kind found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_category. I don't think o-class will ever be applicable to any other language. I'd prefer to use share rule names whenever possible. When there isn't a grammeme name that can be used, I'd prefer to use a generic concept, like verbose or financial. When that doesn't work, then some sort of unique language specific concept can be used, like sinokorean. I find "o-class" to be the least favorable rule name. Can we find a more meaningful name for this one?

comment:5 Changed 7 months ago by kent.karlsson14@…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_category refers to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun_class

Fulfulde/Fulani/Fula: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_language#Noun_classes

Classnr	class name	"meaning"	example
 1.	o	Person Singular	laam-ɗo ‘chief’; also loan words
 2.	ɓe	Person Plural	laam-ɓe ‘chiefs’

It seems that "o-class" for numbers would include "ɓe-class" as well (otherwise o-class for numbers would apply only to the value "1").

"class-1" is not better than "o-class". And the "also loan words" seem to imply that "o-class" covers more than words signifying human(s).

Swahili and other Bantu languages also have a similar kind of noun class system, with about 10-26 classes in each language.

I'd keep "o-class" here, since that seems to be the closest grammatical name there is for this.

comment:6 Changed 7 months ago by grhoten

Hmm, this is a highly relevant quote from ​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_language#Noun_classes

Noun classes in Fula are abstract categories with some classes having semantic attributes that characterize a subset of that class’ members, and others being marked by a membership too diverse to warrant any semantic categorization of the class’ members (Paradis 1992: 25).

Sigh - I dislike these unnamable scenarios. I have a preference to use spellout-cardinal-o, which is similar to what was done to German, or to use spellout-cardinal-class-o, which goes from general to most specific part of the rule name. I'd also find spellout-cardinal-suffix-o to be acceptable. Which do you prefer?

Do you think that other classes will be used for the numbers in the future? There are a lot of noun classes.

comment:7 Changed 7 months ago by kent.karlsson14@…

Well, you are welcome to re-analyse Bantu languages grammar ;-)

Among those names, I would prefer "spellout-cardinal-class-o".

I think there should a similar approach for Swahili, but I haven't found details yet.

comment:8 Changed 7 months ago by grhoten

Let's go with spellout-cardinal-class-o.

comment:9 Changed 7 months ago by grhoten

  • Status changed from new to reviewing
  • Review set to sascha

comment:10 Changed 6 months ago by sascha

  • Status changed from reviewing to closed
  • Resolution set to fixed
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