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CLDR Ticket #11100(closed: as-designed)

Opened 6 months ago

Last modified 5 months ago

Comments on emoji-ordering

Reported by: kent.karlsson14@… Owned by: anybody
Component: collation Data Locale:
Phase: dsub Review:
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Some comments on www.unicode.org/draft/emoji/charts-11.0/emoji-ordering.html:

Dinosaurs are grouped with reptiles (excluding birds), but (certain kinds of) dinosaurs are much closer to birds than to (say) lizards. See for instance www.science20.com/files/images/Dinosaur%20phylogeny%20showing%20nodes%20with%20exceptional%20rates%20of%20body%20size%20evolution.png or www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140925130506.htm. The Coelurosaurs (to pick one point in the tree) includes birds and Tyrannosaurs, but is far away from lizards. Sure, emojis aren't intended to be scientific, but one would still expect some degree of scientific accuracy. (I know that "saurus" means "lizard"; that does NOT mean that any of the large variety of extinct <nnn>saurus-es actually were lizards.)

The "dragon" emojis should be grouped under "<something>-fantasy".

Mushrooms are not vegetables. They are not even plants. Fungi are not plants, it is a separate group ("kingdom") more closely related to animals than to plants, see e.g. www.apsnet.org/edcenter/intropp/PathogenGroups/Pages/IntroFungi.aspx. And the mushroom depicted in the image is a poisonous one (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria) that NEVER should be used as food! If the "mushroom" emoji is supposed to relate to food, then pick an image of an edible mushroom, see e.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agaricus_bisporus or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanterelle; BUT NOT en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyromitra_esculenta (which even after "detoxification" is not recommended to eat more than a little bit of; the poison remaining after "detoxification" can still accumulate in the body). On the other hand, if the mushroom emoji is supposed to be referring to dangerous/poisonous mushrooms, then the image is fine, but the emoji should then be grouped with "warning" (which may be where "skull and crossbones" belong as well). Most (all?) implementations seems to have gone for a drawing of that same poisonous mushroom. NOT FOOD!

The sun and moon FACEs should be grouped with "face-fantasy", not "sky and weather". (But the skulls in that group aren't particularly "fantasy"...)

I don't have any global language statistics on this, but grouping arachnids with slugs and microbes (under "bug") is probably not done in all languages. Regardless, it is not a particularly logical/scientific grouping.


Change History

comment:1 Changed 5 months ago by mark

Putting on ESC agenda for consideration there.

comment:2 Changed 5 months ago by mark

  • Status changed from new to closed
  • Resolution set to as-designed

ESC concluded that none of the cases warrant moving. They should be where people are most likely to look for them. Note that on a palette, sun and moon faces could be in both weather and faces.

If you want to talk about keywords and not ordering, please post a separate ticket.


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