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CLDR Ticket #11304(new)

Opened 4 months ago

Last modified 6 days ago

Group separator NNBSP, not NBSP

Reported by: Marcel Schneider <charupdate@…> Owned by: anybody
Component: other Data Locale:
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Description

Checking the dashboard again, I find my vote for group separator still on the losing side.
Wondering why, I see our votes for NNBSP (4 people, 9 votes) challenged not by opposite votes
(1 person left 4 votes for NBSP unchanged), but by a CLDR requirement of 20 votes for change.
In other words, only a TC member weighing 20 votes can correct that error.
Why so? The usual threshold is 8 votes, ie 2 corporate vetters weighing 4 votes each.

As a side note: We can’t see anything displayed in ST as of what value either field is set to.
Displaying space characters other than U+0020 in ST is easy applying the scheme used for
bidi controls (see ticket:11235).

Please read again what Philippe Verdy wrote on 29/07/18 20:31:

(note that the group separator for digits is also an NNBSP).

Chicago Manual of Style, ed. 17, states:
https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/book/ed17/part2/ch09/psec056.html
| “In the International System of Units (SI units), thin, fixed spaces rather than commas
| are normally used to mark off groups of three digits, both to the left and to the right of the decimal marker.
| (In electronic publications, a regular nonbreaking space may be used; see 6.121.)”

The following demo shows the difference between using U+00A0 NBSP and U+202F NNBSP.
The underscores stand for emulated spacing due to a justifying space character,
either U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE, or U+0020 SPACE, in an imaginary text column,
with justification turned on:

1 234 567 890withNNBSP
1234567890withNBSP

We see that the second line looks like a piece of junk.

The other issue is that NBSP is too wide as a thousands separator:

The following number 1 234 567 890 is with NNBSP.
The following number 1 234 567 890 is with NBSP.

Now we need to know why Unicode wishes to be able to prevent vetters from correcting that error.

We kindly request TC to rule out NBSP as a group separator, and to set this value to NNBSP.

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comment:1 Changed 4 months ago by Marcel Schneider <charupdate@…>

Group separator NNBSP, not NBSP (edit)

The above is a copy-paste of an e-mail. The first demo is wrecked due to interference of wikicode and not pre-ing:

The following demo shows the difference between using U+00A0 NBSP and U+202F NNBSP.
The underscores stand for emulated spacing due to a justifying space character,
either U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE, or U+0020 SPACE, in an imaginary text column,
with justification turned on:

1 234 567 890____with____NNBSP
1__234__567__890__with__NBSP

comment:2 Changed 3 months ago by charupdate@…

Issue resolved

TC accepted \u202F, we learned on ST French forum ([v34] 2018-08-08 17:41).

This ticket may be closed. Thanks.

comment:3 Changed 3 weeks ago by mark

  • Component changed from main to other

comment:4 Changed 6 days ago by mark

  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to to-assess
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