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CLDR Ticket #11529(accepted)

Opened 3 months ago

Last modified 8 weeks ago

Hindi (hi) dayPeriod for afternoon1 should be दोपहर

Reported by: roozbeh Owned by: roozbeh
Component: fix-in-survey-tool Data Locale: hi
Phase: dvet Review:
Weeks: Data Xpath: dates/calendars/calendar[@type="gregorian"]/dayPeriods/dayPeriodContext[@type="format"]/dayPeriodWidth[@type="abbreviated"]/dayPeriod[@type="afternoon1"]


According to our Hindi linguist, nobody understands the present term, अपराह्न used for afternoon1 in Hindi. That's why we should not use it for PM either (see ticket:11417).

Instead, we should use दोपहर, which is easy and everyone understands it well.


Change History

comment:1 Changed 3 months ago by pedberg

  • Cc johnmcco added
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to assessed

suggest initial assignment to pedberg for 35 as medium, to first get confirmation from Karan, then to assign to Kristi or Fredrik to confirm with vetters and make the change (or do via ST).

comment:2 Changed 3 months ago by pedberg

  • Priority changed from assess to medium
  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Milestone changed from assessed to 35

comment:3 Changed 2 months ago by pedberg

Note that for "hi", afternoon1 is from 12:00 to (but not including) 16:00

comment:4 Changed 2 months ago by pedberg

  • Cc mark added
  • Owner changed from pedberg to kristi

Karan says: I agree that “दोपहर” is the right word to use here [for “afternoon”*] instead of “अपराह्न” which is a technical term that a vanishingly small number of Hindi speakers would be familiar with. [* where “afternoon” is 12:00 to more like 17:00 or 18:00].

Moving to Kristi.

comment:5 Changed 8 weeks ago by roozbeh

  • Cc pedberg, kristi, karan_misra@… added

So there's potentially a second issue here, about what 16:00-16:59 and 17:00-17:59 should be called in Hindi. CLDR says they should be called शाम.

Our lead Hindi linguist confirms: "I checked various sites and दोपहर is until 4 everywhere. 4:30 is referred as शाम (evening) and 5/6 PM is definitely evening. So, it's good to have दोपहर time border until 4."

So I recommend no changes to the current cut-off time.

comment:6 Changed 8 weeks ago by karan_misra@…

I would not have any objections with दोपहर ending at 15:59 and शाम beginning at 16:00 onwards. I believe most Hindi speakers would find that natural.

comment:7 Changed 8 weeks ago by kristi

  • Phase changed from dsub to dvet
  • Component changed from datetime to fix-in-survey-tool

can be done in the survey tool

comment:8 Changed 8 weeks ago by roozbeh

  • Owner changed from kristi to roozbeh

comment:9 Changed 8 weeks ago by Rajesh Ranjan <rajesh_ranjan@…>

For afternoon1 ie 12:00 to (but not including) 16:00 दोपहर is better.


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