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CLDR Ticket #7099(accepted)

Opened 5 years ago

Last modified 6 months ago

Add immigrants' languages to Italy(IT)

Reported by: federicoleva@… Owned by: rick
Component: other-supplemental Data Locale:
Phase: rc Review:
Weeks: Data Xpath:


Useless context: I have several problems (downstream: <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62346>) with http://unicode.org/repos/cldr/trunk/common/supplemental/supplementalData.xml for Italy; I can't locate other_country_data.txt (mentioned in <http://cldr.unicode.org/development/updating-codes/update-language-script-info>) so I don't know what comes from where but instructions say I have to file a bug in any case. Let me know if there's something I can edit directly in the survey tool (to which I have access for Wikimedia).

Request: please add the number of immigrants to the number of people speaking/writing/literate for the respective languages in Italy. According to Interior Ministry report as of 2011 <http://ssai.interno.it/download/allegati1/amelio_dati-popolazione_straniera_residente_in_italia_-_22_set_2011_-_testo_integrale%5B1%5D.pdf>:

Romania 968 576
Albania 482 627
Morocco 452 424
China 209 934
Ukraine 200 730
Philippines 134 154
Moldova 130 948
India 121 036
Poland 109 018
Tunisia 106 291
Peru 98 603
Ecuador 91 625
Egypt 90 365
Macedony 89 900
Bangladesh 82 451
Sri Lanka 81 094

That is, translated in languages with a reasonable degree of approximation (which will be integrated with non-native speakers for languages commonly studied in a separate report):

ro 1 099 524
sq 482 627
ar 649 080
zh 209 934
uk 200 730
tl 134 154
hi 121 036
pl 109 018
es 190 228
mk 89 900
bn 82 451
si 81 094


Change History

comment:1 Changed 5 years ago by emmons

  • Status changed from new to closed
  • Resolution set to needs-more-info
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 26rc

The committee needs more information about how many of these actually speak the languages in question. Specifically, we can't assume that everyone that came from Ukraine speaks Ukrainian, as some speak only Russian, etc.

comment:2 Changed 5 years ago by federicoleva@…

Thanks, I understand: it's what I meant by "reasonable degree of approximation". Do you think it too approximate? Can't you "rescale" the numbers based on the information you already have, for instance for Ukraine immigrants estimate that 65 % of them know Ukrainian and 46 % know Russian? The other cases are simpler, except the Philippines perhaps, where the situation is rather unclear.

I don't think it's possible to find an official source for language, because that doesn't matter in any way from the autorities' perspective. Surveys like those by ISTAT I provided in the other ticket (for secondary languages) are also almost impossible to produce for each immigrant population, both because of the smaller sample and because they're inthrinsically less stable and harder to reach...

comment:3 Changed 5 years ago by federicoleva@…

  • Status changed from closed to new
  • Resolution needs-more-info deleted

comment:4 Changed 5 years ago by mark

  • Owner changed from anybody to rick
  • Priority changed from assess to medium
  • Status changed from new to assigned
  • Milestone changed from 26rc to 27dsub
  1. Take the max
  2. Use the scaling mechanism.

comment:5 Changed 5 years ago by markus

  • Phase set to dsub
  • Milestone changed from 27dsub to 27

comment:6 Changed 4 years ago by rick

  • Milestone changed from 27 to 28

comment:7 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

  • Phase changed from dsub to rc

comment:8 Changed 4 years ago by markus

  • type changed from enhancement to data

comment:9 Changed 4 years ago by srl

  • Status changed from assigned to accepted

comment:10 Changed 4 years ago by rick

  • Milestone changed from 28 to 29

comment:11 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

  • Milestone changed from 29 to upcoming

Auto move of all 29 -> upcoming

comment:12 Changed 22 months ago by rick

Requested some clarification from Federico.

comment:13 Changed 6 months ago by pedberg

  • Milestone changed from upcoming to UNSCH

CLDR 34 BRS closing item, move all upcoming → UNSCH


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