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CLDR Ticket #7100(closed: fixed)

Opened 5 years ago

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Correct official region/province languages of Italy(IT)

Reported by: federicoleva@… Owned by: rick
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Italy as a country doesn't really have official regional languages, only some languages which may have some privileges in the 5 special regions (out of 20) and a national list of languages which may have some privileges at *province* level. In practice all the former are already listed in the latter.

Euridyce 2012/Eurostat data as summarised by http://www.insegnareonline.com/istanze/interlinguismo/insegnamento-ls-scuola-italia just confirms what mandated by law 15 Dicembre 1999, n. 482 "Norme in materia di tutela delle minoranze linguistiche storiche" (http://www.parlamento.it/parlam/leggi/99482l.htm) i.e. that the "Historical language minorities" which are also taught in some schools are the following (and only! the following):

sq, ca, de, el, sl, hr; fr, fur, oc, frp, srd, lld

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comment:1 Changed 5 years ago by mark

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We use the term "regional" in a very broad sense, pertaining to any non-national government entity. Could you review that?

comment:2 Changed 5 years ago by federicoleva@…

Any link to the definition you use? If it's "any non-national government entity" all those languages should be "regional", provinces are branches (of constitutional level) of the Republic of Italy.

comment:3 Changed 5 years ago by federicoleva@…

Ah sorry, you linked me the definitions in the other report: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/definitions. "Major region" really applies only for de, fur and srd, as far as I can see (those regions or autonomous provinces have over half a million inhabitants):

As for Friuli, the regional law further delegates to an administrative act of lower rank the duty to define the area where the law itself applies fully... but no such act is listed among those derived from that law, so it's possible that no such area is defined yet.

However, you mention "provinces" in your definitions; if 15 % of the population of a province (which can have less than 100 thousands inhabitants in Italy) is enough for your definition, then all those languages are "official regional", otherwise all but the 2-3 above should be considered "
official minority languages" instead.

comment:4 Changed 5 years ago by federicoleva@…

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comment:5 follow-up: ↓ 6 Changed 5 years ago by mark

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We can definitely add the population dat for the languages.

The main issue is whether they are truly official in the provinces or not; meaning that one can do all communication with the provincial government in those languages, or whether they are 'honorary'.

comment:6 in reply to: ↑ 5 Changed 5 years ago by federicoleva@…

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Replying to mark:

meaning that one can do all communication with the provincial government in those languages, or whether they are 'honorary'.

Well, that's what the recognition implies according to the national law, but sure, it still depends on a local decision. I guess I'll have to check more local resolutions, but for now the three above apply.

comment:7 Changed 5 years ago by emmons

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comment:8 Changed 5 years ago by rick

Added Sardinian; updated the other two from comment 6.

comment:9 Changed 5 years ago by rick

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comment:10 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

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comment:11 Changed 4 years ago by markus

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  • Milestone changed from 26rc to 26
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