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CLDR Ticket #8072(closed: fixed)

Opened 4 years ago

Last modified 4 years ago

Fix info for Afrikaans (af) in Namibia (NA)

Reported by: el@… Owned by: rick
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Phase: rc Review: emmons
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comment:1 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

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comment:2 Changed 4 years ago by rick

  • Status changed from assigned to closed
  • Resolution set to wontfix

Afrikaans is not listed as "official" in the supplementary data, but as "de facto official" meaning it is widely used as a lingua franca. It seems to be spoken by some 75% of the population. I'm closing this bug, but will open another one to update languages of Namibia.

comment:3 Changed 4 years ago by rick

See also: cldrbug 8188

Current CIA factbook says:

Oshiwambo languages 48.9%, Nama/Damara 11.3%, Afrikaans 10.4% (common language of most of the population and about 60% of the white population), Otjiherero languages 8.6%, Kavango languages 8.5%, Caprivi languages 4.8%, English (official) 3.4%, other African languages 2.3%, other 1.7%
note: Namibia has 13 recognized national languages, including 10 indigenous African languages and 3 Indo-European languages (2011 est.)

Last edited 4 years ago by rick (previous) (diff)

comment:4 Changed 4 years ago by el@…

Well,

I happen to live there for almost 30 years and most of the population
will seriously disagree with the below.

60% of 10% means the white population speaking Afrikaans is 6% of the
population. You really want to remove this status.

el

comment:5 Changed 4 years ago by rick

The problem I have is understanding the discrepency here. One source, CIA Factbook claims that "most of the population" can use Afrikaans. I can remove the defacto-official status, I suppose. But I would also like to understand what percentage of the country population can understand and use Afrikaans. The sources say that even if English is official, it's not widely used.

comment:6 Changed 4 years ago by rick

  • Status changed from closed to new
  • Resolution wontfix deleted

comment:7 Changed 4 years ago by rick

  • Status changed from new to accepted

comment:8 Changed 4 years ago by el@…

Well, I live there, and have second hand experience :-)-O

And, the CIA Factbook is not the authority on many things.

Namibia was a colony under Apartheid South Africa where Afrikaans
was the only language. By force.

Now, 25 years after independence in a country with a huge net
population group and a large percentage of inhabitants below 30,
these do not not speak Afrikaans. They speak English, and even in
their vernacular, English words have replaced those for which no
words exist in the language and where previously Afrikaans words
were used.

The large majority of the adult population in particular in the
rural north, where the South Africans conducted the majority of the
atrocities before independence, flat out refuse to communicate in
the language, even if they know it.

It's not as bad as in the Township Uprisings in the 70's in South
Africa where the black school students actively and violently
resisted the language being introduced to schools.

But, to give it ANY sort of an official status, is quite wrong, and
if one were to ask the relevant line Ministry, one would get a VERY
strong reaction.

There are two small "tribes", the "Coloureds" and the "Basters" who
in addition to the white "Afrikaners" speak Afrikaans at home,
perhaps 20%, maybe another 10% from other "tribes" in particular the
"Nama" and "Damara" will be able and willing to communicate in
Afrikaans.

But a considerable percentage of those will not.

el

comment:9 Changed 4 years ago by rick

Thanks. If you have better data sources on language/population, or a good official source that I could consult, that would be excellent. What percentage of people in various countries can/would use a computer interface in these languages. That kind of data can be difficult to find.

comment:10 Changed 4 years ago by rick

  • Status changed from accepted to reviewing
  • Review set to emmons

comment:11 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

  • Status changed from reviewing to closed
  • Resolution set to fixed
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