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CLDR Ticket #8153(closed: fixed)

Opened 4 years ago

Last modified 5 months ago

German narrow AM/PM should be narrower

Reported by: pedberg Owned by: fredrik
Component: other Data Locale: de
Phase: rc Review: pedberg
Weeks: Data Xpath:



Currently in German we have this:

<dayPeriodWidth type="wide">
	<dayPeriod type="am">vorm.</dayPeriod>
	<dayPeriod type="pm">nachm.</dayPeriod>
<dayPeriodWidth type="narrow">
	<dayPeriod type="am">vorm.</dayPeriod>
	<dayPeriod type="pm">nachm.</dayPeriod>

The narrow am/pm should be, well, narrow. Our localizers suggest:

<dayPeriodWidth type="narrow">
	<dayPeriod type="am">v.</dayPeriod>
	<dayPeriod type="pm">n.</dayPeriod>


Change History

comment:1 Changed 4 years ago by markus

We can invent novelties like this, but I think Germans will be confused about what those things are. You could hope to set a trend and make users learn...

This is a general problem with something that is not used, you can't collect a commonly used value for it. When time is written in German, 24-hour time is always used. (12-hour format is common in spoken German, with context or disambiguation; people will also use 24-hour format (for afternoon times) in spoken German for clarity.)

comment:2 Changed 4 years ago by fredrik

  • Xref set to 8139

comment:3 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

TC proposes vm. and nm.

comment:4 Changed 4 years ago by emmons

  • Owner changed from anybody to fredrik
  • Priority changed from assess to medium
  • Status changed from new to assigned
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 27

comment:5 Changed 4 years ago by fredrik

Our German linguists agree with TC, and proposes a change to the "noon" value as well (currently "Mittag") for consistency:

<dayPeriodWidth type="narrow">
<dayPeriod type="am">vm.</dayPeriod>
<dayPeriod type="noon">m.</dayPeriod>
<dayPeriod type="pm">nm.</dayPeriod>

They also suggested a clean-up of the "wide" format, will file that separately.

comment:6 Changed 4 years ago by fredrik

  • Status changed from assigned to reviewing
  • Review set to pedberg

Applied the suggested fix to both narrow and wide format, since ICU still looks at the wide format. Also took the opportunity to change the wide format of noon "Mittag" to match the adjective form "mittags" used in the other wide dayperiods.

comment:7 Changed 4 years ago by pedberg

  • Status changed from reviewing to accepted

OK, after e-mail discussion, it sounds like the wide forms should be reverted to vorm./nachm. as they were. There is time to do that if you do it right away.

comment:8 Changed 4 years ago by fredrik

  • Status changed from accepted to reviewing


comment:9 Changed 4 years ago by pedberg

  • Status changed from reviewing to closed
  • Resolution set to fixed

OK, looks good now, thanks.

comment:10 Changed 5 months ago by mark

  • Component changed from main to other

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