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CLDR Ticket #8409(accepted data)

Opened 2 years ago

Last modified 18 months ago

missing UN.M49 region codes

Reported by: markus Owned by: mark
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Description

CLDR, and the IANA language subtag registry, do not have entries for UN.M49 Channel Islands (830) and Sark (680). Why not? Propose to IANA?

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comment:1 Changed 2 years ago by shyuemingloh@…

My understanding is that Channel Islands (830) is composed of two entities -- Guernsey (831, GG) and Jersey (832, JE) -- both of which have UN M.49 numeric codes and ISO 3166-1 alpha2 and alpha3 codes. Since Guernsey and Jersey compose Channel Islands, it would not make sense for the ISO 3166 to have a code for the Channel Islands as a combination of the two entities. The same argument holds for the CLDR.

So the question is more -- why hasn't the UN M.49 deprecated the Channel Islands (830) numeric code in the following list, since it already has numeric codes for Guernsey and Jersey?
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49alpha.htm

As for Sark (680), it is an island close to Guernsey and may be considered as part of Guernsey by the ISO 3166 and, similarly, by CLDR. Again, the question is why Sark (680) exists in the UN M.49 list.

The above is my understanding of the situation. It would still be good for someone affiliated with Unicode and CLDR to give a better explanation.

comment:2 Changed 2 years ago by shyuemingloh@…

My understanding is that Channel Islands (830) is composed of two entities -- Guernsey (831, GG) and Jersey (832, JE) -- both of which have UN M.49 numeric codes and ISO 3166-1 alpha2 and alpha3 codes. Since Guernsey and Jersey compose Channel Islands, it would not make sense for the ISO 3166 to have a code for the Channel Islands as a combination of the two entities. The same argument holds for the CLDR.

So the question is more -- why hasn't the UN M.49 deprecated the Channel Islands (830) numeric code in the following list, since it already has numeric codes for Guernsey and Jersey?
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/methods/m49/m49alpha.htm

As for Sark (680), it is an island close to Guernsey and may be considered as part of Guernsey by the ISO 3166 and, similarly, by CLDR. Again, the question is why Sark (680) exists in the UN M.49 list.

The above is my understanding of the situation. It would still be good for someone affiliated with Unicode and CLDR to give a better explanation.

comment:3 Changed 2 years ago by shyuemingloh@…

This Wikipedia footnote gives the explanation why the UN M.49 numeric code for the Channel Islands has been retained:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_M.49#cite_note-8

The footnote reads: "The Channel Islands are no longer a political entity, but has been maintained, for statistical use only, in the UN M.49 codification (this grouping has never been encoded in ISO 3166-1, unlike other geopolitical countries or territories), in addition to the newer separate codifications of the Bailiwicks of Jersey and of Guernsey (which were also encoded separately in ISO 3166-1)."

comment:4 Changed 2 years ago by shyuemingloh@…

I guess the explanation for why the Channel Islands (830) numeric code is still in the UN M.49 can most likely apply to Sark (680) as well, i.e., it has been retained for statistical use.

comment:5 Changed 2 years ago by mark

We do have 830, but as a deprecated code:

supplementalMetadata.xml

<territoryAlias type="830" replacement="JE GG" reason="deprecated"/> <!-- Channel Islands -->

We don't have 680. I think because it was never used in any version (inc. dev version) of BCP47. It should probably also go in as deprecated in the same way.

comment:6 Changed 2 years ago by mark

  • Owner changed from anybody to mark
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  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 28

comment:7 Changed 19 months ago by mark

  • Milestone changed from 28 to 29

comment:8 Changed 18 months ago by emmons

  • Milestone changed from 29 to upcoming
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