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CLDR Ticket #9611(accepted data)

Opened 17 months ago

Last modified 16 months ago

The default time hour for Simple Chinese

Reported by: zhouyuxiang.zhou@… Owned by: pedberg
Component: datetime Data Locale: zh
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Description

Well, in zh.xml file, there is
<timeFormats>

<timeFormatLength type="full">

<timeFormat>

<pattern>zzzz ah:mm:ss</pattern>

</timeFormat>

</timeFormatLength>
<timeFormatLength type="long">

<timeForma>

<pattern>z ah:mm:ss</pattern>

</timeFormat>

</timeFormatLength>
<timeFormatLength type="medium">

<timeFormat>

<pattern>ah:mm:ss</pattern>

</timeFormat>

</timeFormatLength>
<timeFormatLength type="short">

<timeFormat>

<pattern>ah:mm</pattern>

</timeFormat>

</timeFormatLength>

</timeFormats>

We use this as the default time hour for this locale, i mean 12-hour or 24-hour. Here it is 12-hour.
In fact, Chinese people are not familiar with 12-hour.
Maybe someone know that in dayPeriods.xml file.
there are 7 day period for locale "zh"(in fact there are more and the rules are orderless).

Most Chinese people can not distinguish two times in a day:
上午12:00 (it is like 12:00 AM, we usually call it "午夜12:00" or "凌晨0:00", like midnight)
下午12:00 (it is like 12:00 PM, we usually call it "中午12:00", like noon)
We often make mistake about them.

So for Chinese people 24-hour is more common. The CCTV use 24-hour, i add it in attachment.
I update the modification, please check.

For more, in fact Chinese people neither use 12-hour nor 24-hour in Spoken language. We use a complex day period to express time.
For example, we may say "清晨3:00" in some place. But in some place "清晨" can not use to describe the time from 00:00 before 04:00, it should be "凌晨3:00".
What does this different? Because of longitude.
China is big place that across 5 longitudes, but only use one unified time(UTC+8:00). "清晨" and "凌晨" are words to describe time of the day. In some places the sky is not bright(we can see glimmer of the sun) when it is 03:00 so they say "凌晨3:00", but in some other places the sky is bright when it is 03:00 so they say "清晨3:00".

Attachments

zh.zip (96.6 KB) - added by zhouyuxiang.zhou@… 17 months ago.
CCTV2.jpg (21.7 KB) - added by zhouyuxiang.zhou@… 17 months ago.

Change History

Changed 17 months ago by zhouyuxiang.zhou@…

Changed 17 months ago by zhouyuxiang.zhou@…

comment:1 follow-up: ↓ 2 Changed 17 months ago by pedberg

Consider using 12-hour with day periods? Not sure we want to switch to 24-hour

comment:2 in reply to: ↑ 1 Changed 17 months ago by zhouyuxiang.zhou@…

Maybe I complicate the issue, I just think it is better to use 24-hour as default hour time in Chinese file.
And keep the rules in day periods temporarily, because it's important to distinguish midnight and moon now.
Replying to pedberg:

Consider using 12-hour with day periods? Not sure we want to switch to 24-hour

comment:3 Changed 16 months ago by pedberg

  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Cc fredrik added
  • Component changed from main to datetime
  • Data Locale set to zh
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to upcoming
  • Owner changed from anybody to pedberg

We have data for day periods. I will create some examples using 12-hour with day periods (vs 24 hour, vs 12-hour with AM/PM) to see what people prefer. Consider for a future release.

Last edited 16 months ago by pedberg (previous) (diff)
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