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CLDR Ticket #9790(accepted data)

Opened 14 months ago

Last modified 2 months ago

Incorrect Hebrew Plural Form

Reported by: bloop93@… Owned by: pedberg
Component: plurals Data Locale:
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Description

Hello,
viewing the plural rules of hebrew language[1], I have noticed the rules are not quiet correct.

the plural form in hebrew are:

for single object (n==1) use the singular form.

for two objects (n==2), on specific cases, use the dual form, otherwise use plural form.

for 2-10 objects (n>2 && n<11) use the plural form.

for more than 10 objects (n>10) (notice there is no need to check the remainder of division by 10) one can use both plural form and many form[2] (optional*).

*for example, 19 years ago can be translated as both:
לפני 19 שנה
לפני 19 שנים
both forms are correct in modern hebrew.

[1]http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/supplemental/language_plural_rules.html#he

[2]http://hebrew-academy.org.il/topic/hahlatot/grammardecisions/terminology-ordinance/4-3-%d7%94%d7%a9%d7%99%d7%9e%d7%95%d7%a9-%d7%91%d7%a9%d7%9d-%d7%94%d7%9e%d7%a1%d7%a4%d7%a8/#target-3363
(it's in hebrew, sorry)

I suggest to further check this issue and updating this document

Thanks,
Niv Baehr

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comment:1 Changed 14 months ago by pedberg

  • Cc aviah@…, fredrik, kristi added
  • Owner changed from anybody to pedberg
  • Type changed from charts to data
  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 31

Peter to take and check with experts (e.g. Aviah)

comment:2 Changed 14 months ago by aaharoni@…

My understanding is that the usage is optional. It's possible to say "עשרים שנה" and "עשרים שנים". The current CLDR rules allow people who want to use "עשרים שנה" to do it. And if you're OK with "עשרים שנים", then you just use the same form as for the usual plural.

comment:3 Changed 14 months ago by bloop93@…

thanks aaharoni, but this isn't the issue..
what needs to be fixed is that there is no need to check n%10==0
this rule can be applied to any n>10 (and again, optional)

another source:
http://hebrew-academy.org.il/2010/07/25/%D7%A2%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%9C-%D7%90%D7%95-%D7%A2%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A9%D7%A7%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9D/

comment:4 Changed 10 months ago by pedberg

  • Phase changed from dsub to dvet

comment:5 Changed 10 months ago by pedberg

  • Milestone changed from 31 to 32

Needs a bit more discussion/feedback

comment:6 Changed 2 months ago by pedberg

  • Milestone changed from 32 to 33
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