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CLDR Ticket #9816(closed: fixed)

Opened 2 years ago

Last modified 2 years ago

windowsZones: zone Europe/Simferopol should belong to country UA, not RU

Reported by: golovenko@… Owned by: yoshito
Component: timezone Data Locale: all
Phase: final Review: pedberg
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Description

Timezone "Europe/Simferopol" (and Simferopol city itself) should belong to Ukraine (UA), not Russia (RU). Crimea, as temporary occupied area in all international documents states as ukrainian territory.

More details can be found here:
http://usa.mfa.gov.ua/en/legal_aspects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262

Please make changes to supplemental\windowsZones.xml, returning Europe/Simferopol to correct country.
Otherwise ukrainian government (if officially notified) will insist on making changes in documents in juridical manner (there were some precedents with Coca-Cola company, french maps agency and several more).

By the way, in subdivisions\en.xml regions "UA-40" and "UA-43" given correctly.

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comment:1 Changed 2 years ago by yoshito

  • Owner changed from anybody to yoshito
  • Priority changed from assess to critical
  • Status changed from new to design
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 30.0.1

comment:2 Changed 2 years ago by yoshito

  • Phase changed from dsub to final

comment:3 Changed 2 years ago by yoshito

  • Status changed from design to accepted

comment:4 Changed 2 years ago by yoshito

CLDR committee does not intend to take political position. The time zone related data in CLDR is derived from the IANA Time Zone database http://www.iana.org/time-zones. At this moment, zone.tab included in the Time Zone database specifies geographical mapping of each zone and Europe/Simferopol is found in the file as below:

...
RU	+554521+0373704	Europe/Moscow	MSK+00 - Moscow area
RU	+4457+03406	Europe/Simferopol	MSK+00 - Crimea
RU	+4844+04425	Europe/Volgograd	MSK+00 - Volgograd, Saratov
...

By the way, in subdivisions\en.xml regions "UA-40" and "UA-43" given correctly.


This data is imported from ISO-3166-2.

comment:5 Changed 2 years ago by yoshito

CLDR TC members agreed to accept this change.

comment:6 Changed 2 years ago by yoshito

  • Status changed from accepted to reviewing
  • Review set to pedberg

comment:7 Changed 2 years ago by pedberg

  • Status changed from reviewing to closed
  • Resolution set to fixed

comment:8 Changed 2 years ago by golovenko@…

As I understand, I also need to contact IANA, where you take data. Thanks for source.

We can argue, political position or not - it does not matter. In this case one country (Russia) temporarily occupied part of another country (Ukraine), but no countries except Russia itself treat it legal. So UN with most votes (countries) decided to treat Crimea still as a part of Ukraine and this position should be used for all international materials and communications.

Still I did not understand position:
first "CLDR committee does not intend to take political position"
second "CLDR TC members agreed to accept this change." and "Resolution set to fixed"

What is the result?

Thanks

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