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Language-Territory information for Elfdalian

Reported by: mats.gbproject@… Owned by: anybody
Component: unknown Data Locale:
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Language code: ovd
Spoken in Sweden, subdivision Dalarna.
Population: 2400

To be added here:
and here:

Word Order in Övdalian : A Study in Variation and Change.Garbacz, Piotr

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comment:1 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

Regading: "subdivision Dalarna" (nit: "Dalarnas län", for the current formal subdivision; not exactly the same as Dalarna). I don't see that CLDR in any way tries to keep track of in which subdivision(s) a language is spoken/written. At all, whether formal or informal/historical divisions.

In addition, there is a proposal to change the (formal) subdivision of Sweden, creating larger regions. Though for the moment the proposal seems to be "dead" (again; news of today); I think it will resurge anew, probably modified.

comment:2 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

Regarding at all adding Language-Territory information for Elfdalian to CLDR. Here is a list of the (estimated) number of "mother-tongue" speakers of various languages in Sweden: http://spraktidningen.se/blogg/har-ar-20-storsta-spraken-i-sverige. Note that Elfdalian/Älvdalska is at position 66...

comment:3 Changed 2 years ago by mats.gbproject@…

I don't see that CLDR in any way tries to keep track of in which subdivision(s) a language is spoken/written.

There is one issue open to do exactly that:

I think it would makes sense when we have such accurate information. If they are saved with sub-divisions where it makes sense, it can still be extracted at a territory level if needed.

Here is a list of the (estimated) number of "mother-tongue" speakers of various languages in Sweden: ​http://spraktidningen.se/blogg/har-ar-20-storsta-spraken-i-sverige. Note that Elfdalian/Älvdalska is at position 66...

Yes, however most of the languages on this list is not primarily spoken in Sweden, they are primarily spoken in other countries. Out of those speaking Elfdalian they predominantly live in Sweden / Dalarna. Also, Northern Sami and Southern Sami, have already been added to Sweden, should not Elfdalian get same treatment?

comment:4 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

From your language/population table:

1139	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"               English en      86%                             
1140	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"       official_regional       Finnish fi      "214,000"                               
1141	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"               Interlingua     ia      1               " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua#Community Has a regular conf in Sweden, also Brazil; an auxiliary language with tiny population worldwide"           
1142	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"               Lule Sami       smj     "1,500"                         
1143	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"       recognized      Northern Sami   se      "32,300"                               
1144	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"               Southern Sami   sma     300     75%                     
1145	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"       official        Swedish sv      95%             "http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_243_en.pdf Europeans and their languages survey, page 7"           
1146	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"       recognized      Tavringer Romani        rmu     "9,500"                         
1147	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"       recognized      Tornedalen Finnish      fit     "53,800"                               
1148	Sweden  SE      "9,723,809"     99%     "393,800,000,000"       recognized      Yiddish yi      "3,000"                         

Not sure how "official_regional" vs. "recognized" are different. "Tornedalen Finnish"/"Meänkieli" is quite regional, whereas "Finnish" is not (Finnish is spoken by a large number of Finnish immigrants/descendants all over Sweden.

Interlingua? Why? Seems no reason at all to include Interlingua (www.interlingua.nu) here. As far as constructed languages go, Esperanto (esperanto.se) is likely larger in Sweden, but still vanishingly small, and both would be third/fourth/... language for these vanishingly small communities. Please delete ia from the list.

Now, these are the legally special minority languages in Sweden (from sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoritetsspr%C3%A5k_i_Sverige):

"Det finns fem erkända minoritetsspråk i Sverige. De är finska, meänkieli (samtliga varieteter), samiska (samtliga varieteter), romani chib (samtliga varieteter) och jiddisch, vilka har större rättigheter än andra minoritetsspråk i Sverige. Det svenska teckenspråket har en juridisk ställning som liknar de officiella minoritetsspråken, och kan därför i många fall ses som ett sjätte minoritetsspråk."

So: fi, fit, smi (formally "all"), rom (formally "all"), yi ("all"?); swl (Swedish sign language, missing in the list above, please include).

Regarding Sami (see www.samer.se/1536):
"Ca 17 000 talar nordsamiska, varav ca 6000 bor i Sverige och övriga i Norge och Finland.
Ca 800 personer talar lulesamiska i Sverige och Norge.
Ca 700 personer talar sydsamiska i Sverige och Norge.
Ca 500 personer hör till den skoltsamiska språkgruppen, de flesta bor i Finland.
Ca 500 personer hör till den enaresamiska språkgruppen, alla i Finland."

As for the distribution of "mother tongues", see (again): spraktidningen.se/blogg/har-ar-20-storsta-spraken-i-sverige (unfortunately the (partial) list is given in an image). (Note: does not distinguish between fi and fit, nor the various Sami languages.) It is quite common to hear languages 2...8 (in that list) "on the streets". When hearing German(9)/Danish(10)/Norwegian/English it is usually tourists, though. I don't mind including Elfdalian in the CLDR list, though it should be noted that it is very small.

And yes, of course English should be included, as the most common second language. Not sure where 86% comes from; I'd say it is more, closer to 95% (but I don't have a reference). As for third language, German was common years ago, but Spanish is now likely the largest third language (among those that have Swedish as "mother tongue").

For Swedish, I don't really see why you reference ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_243_en.pdf. Also: most immigrants (and all descendants) learn Swedish (to varying degrees...) after a while, so the percentage should be a bit larger than 95%.

The current population is (www.scb.se/en_/Finding-statistics/Statistics-by-subject-area/Population/Population-composition/Population-statistics/): 9,954,420. (This page is from SCB which keeps track of many kinds of official statistics (but not "mother tongue"/etc...). I think those who have applied for, but not yet gotten, asylum aren't counted; and that is quite a number at the moment. See www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Facts-and-statistics-/Statistics.html)

comment:5 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

Generalising this ticket to cover more language data updates for Nordic countries. (It can be refined further, but enough for now.)

892	Norway  NO      "5,147,792"     100%    "282,200,000,000"       official_regional       Northern Sami   se      3.30%                           
893	Norway  NO      "5,147,792"     100%    "282,200,000,000"       official        Norwegian Bokmål        nb      100%                           
894	Norway  NO      "5,147,792"     100%    "282,200,000,000"       official        Norwegian Nynorsk       nn      25%                             

"100%"? Compare Sweden, Denmark. 99%.

Current population (www.ssb.no/befolkning/nokkeltall): 5,236,826 (ok, a bit overprecise, but that seems what you store).

English (as second language) is common; I'd guess around 90%); compare Sweden, Denmark, Finland.

no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lulesamisk: 500 in Norway.
no.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8rsamisk: 300 in Norway.

nsl, Norwegian Sign Language.

fkv, Kven Finnish. no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvensk: "Antall brukere 2 000–8 000"

"Språkene samisk, kvensk, romanes og romani er anerkjente regions- eller minoritetsspråk i Norge" ('romanes'='romani').

no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_rakripa: "Hvor mange som snakker/behersker norsk romani i Norge er uklart, men det antydes å være mellom noen få hundre og noen få tusen mennesker." [x00–y000 users...]

273	Denmark DK      "5,569,077"     99%     "211,300,000,000"       official        Danish  da      93%                             
274	Denmark DK      "5,569,077"     99%     "211,300,000,000"               English en      86%                             
275	Denmark DK      "5,569,077"     99%     "211,300,000,000"       official_regional       German  de      "23,800"                "protected minority, southern Jutland"         
276	Denmark DK      "5,569,077"     99%     "211,300,000,000"               Faroese fo      "21,000"                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faroese_language         
277	Denmark DK      "5,569,077"     99%     "211,300,000,000"       official_regional       Kalaallisut     kl      "7,000"                         
278	Denmark DK      "5,569,077"     99%     "211,300,000,000"               Jutish  jut     1               No estimate available.         

Current population (www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/befolkning-og-befolkningsfremskrivning/folketal): 5 745 526.

"official_regional Kalaallisut"? Hmm, "official_regional"? Yes, in Greenland, not within Denmark. Ok, Denmark
handles international affairs for Greenland, but Greenland is an autonomous country within the Danish Realm, not part of Denmark proper. The "7000" here refers to Greenlanders having moved to Denmark (proper), but not to a particular region of Denmark.

dsl, Danish Sign Language.

Languages by estimated size (in 2005) in Denmark: www.olestig.dk/danmark/sprog.html.

325	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               English en      70%             www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi/vrk/home.nsf/pages/index_eng               
326	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               Estonian        et      "6,000"                         
327	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"       official        Finnish fi      94%                             
328	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               Inari Sami      smn     600             www.kotus.fi/?l=en&s=207         
329	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               Kalo Finnish Romani     rmf     "5,000"         www.kotus.fi/index.phtml?l=en&s=512      See also virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=26474
330	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               Northern Sami   se      "2,000"                         
331	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               Russian ru      "42,600"                http://www.vaestorekisterikeskus.fi/vrk/home.nsf/pages/index_eng        See also virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=26474
332	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"               Skolt Sami      sms     600             www.kotus.fi/?l=en&s=207         
333	Finland FI      "5,268,799"     100%    "195,500,000,000"       official        Swedish sv      5.70%                           

"100%"? Compare Sweden, Denmark. 99%.

Current population (www.stat.fi/til/vamuu/index_sv.html): 5,502,284. (Though vrk.fi/en/frontpage gives a slightly higher number.)

www.sprakinstitutet.fi/sv/om_sprak/sprak_i_finland/teckensprak: "Finskt teckenspråk utgör modersmål för 4 000–5 000 döva, och det talas därtill som andraspråk eller främmande språk av 6 000–9 000 personer. Antalet talare av finlandssvenskt teckenspråk har länge uppskattats till ca 300, varav hälften döva. En kartläggning utförd 2014–2015 visar dock att antalet döva talare bara är ca 90 numera, varav en stor del har hög ålder. Enligt Unescos kriterier är det finlandssvenska teckenspråket allvarligt hotat."

fse, Finnish Sign Language. [6 000–9 000]
fss, Finland-Swedish Sign Language. [90–300]

comment:6 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

fse, Finnish Sign Language. [6 000–9 000]

Hmm, should have done addition:
fse, Finnish Sign Language. [10 000–14 000]

comment:7 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

443	Iceland IS      "317,351"       99%     "13,110,000,000"                Danish  da      "2,250"                         
444	Iceland IS      "317,351"       99%     "13,110,000,000"        official        Icelandic       is      100%            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland - Icelandic official               

See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Iceland:
"Official languages Icelandic 93.2%
Main immigrant languages Polish 2.71%
Lithuanian 0.43%
English 0.32%
German 0.31%
Danish 0.31%
Portuguese 0.28%
Filipino 0.24%
Thai 0.17%
Latvian 0.14%
Other 1.89%
Main foreign languages English
Danish / Norwegian / Swedish
French / German / Spanish
Sign languages Icelandic Sign Language"

"Danish"/"Scandinavian" (Danish with Icelandic pronunciation) would be the main second (third?) language.

English would be the main third (second?) language (I don't have a percentage to quote, but it should be high).

icl Icelandic Sign Language

319	Faroe Islands   FO      "49,947"        99%     "1,471,000,000" official        Faroese fo      95%                             

See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_Faroe_Islands:
"Faroese 45,361 (90.8 %)
Danish 1,546 (3.1 %)
Icelandic 201 (0.4 %)
English 190 (0.3 %)
Filipino 103 (0.2 %)
Norwegian 99 (0.2 %)
Thai 86 (0.1 %)
Romanian 67 (0.1 %)
Greenlandic 62 (0.1 %)
Serbian 57 (0.1 %)
Russian 55 (0.1 %)
Spanish 49 (0.1 %)
Swedish 45 (0.09 %)
Polish 40 (0.08 %)
Chinese 29 (0.06 %)"

Danish would be the main second (third?) language.

English would be the main third (second?) language (I don't have a percentage to quote, but it should be high).

comment:8 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

12	Åland Islands   AX      "26,200"        100%    "929,800,000"   official        Swedish sv      99%   

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_%C3%85land:
"Åland, an autonomous region of Finland, has the largest Swedish-speaking majority in Finland, with about 88% of the province, or about 25,500 people, speaking Swedish as their first language (specifically the Åland Swedish dialect). Swedish is also the sole official language of the province. Finnish, of course, also has a presence, although it is small; only 5% of Ålanders are Finnish-speaking.

The ten most spoken languages in 2014 (with a total population of 28,916):

Swedish: 25,531 (88.29%)
Finnish: 1,399 (4.84%)
Latvian: 295 (1.02%)
Romanian: 295 (1.02%)
Estonian: 194 (0.67%)
Russian: 139 (0.48%)
Thai: 135 (0.47%)
English: 111 (0.38%)
German: 96 (0.33%)
Kurdish: 67 (0.23%)

While the number of Swedish-speakers grew from 24,169 in 2000 to 25,531 in 2014, their percentage has dropped from 93.7% in 2000 to 88.3% in 2014. For Finnish, the percentage and number of speakers has been same (from 1,238 to 1,399; 4.8%). The percentage of speakers of other languages grew from 1.5% in 2000 to 6.9% in 2014."

+ fss, Finland-Swedish Sign Language (see www.dova.fi/projekt/past-projects-2/alandsdator: "...finlandssvenskt teckenspråk").

+ English (as second language, with high percentage).

Not a Nordic country, but since there is a Danish connection, I include it in this list:

410	Greenland       GL      "57,728"        100%    "2,133,000,000"         Danish  da      "7,830"                         
411	Greenland       GL      "57,728"        100%    "2,133,000,000" official        Kalaallisut     kl      84%                             

See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Greenland#Languages:
"The only official language of Greenland is Greenlandic.[7] The number of speakers of Greenlandic is estimated at 50,000 (85-90% of the total population), divided in three main dialects, Kalaallisut (West-Greenlandic, 44,000 speakers and the dialect that is used as official language), Tunumiit (East-Greenlandic, 3,000 speakers) and Inuktun (North-Greenlandic, 800 speakers). The remainder of the population mainly speaks Danish; Greenlandic Sign Language is the language of the deaf community."

Greenlandic Sign Language = Inuit Sign Language, iks.

Danish: second/third language (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland: "About 12% of the population speaks Danish as a first or sole language, particularly Danish immigrants in Greenland, many of whom fill positions such as administrators, professionals, academics, or skilled tradesmen. While Kalaallisut (Greenlandic) is dominant in all smaller settlements, a part of the population of Inuit or mixed ancestry, especially in towns, speaks Danish. Most of the Inuit population speaks Danish as a second language. In larger towns, especially Nuuk and in the higher social strata, this is still a large group.").

English: second/third language (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland: "English is another important language for Greenland, taught in schools from the first school year.").

comment:9 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

307	Estonia EE      "1,257,921"     100%    "29,940,000,000"        official        Estonian        et      71%                             
308	Estonia EE      "1,257,921"     100%    "29,940,000,000"                Russian ru      30%                             
309	Estonia EE      "1,257,921"     100%    "29,940,000,000"                Võro    vro     5.70%                           


See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Estonia:
"Official languages Estonian
Regional languages Võru, Setu, Mulgi, Tartu
Minority languages Russian, (Swedish, German)

Main foreign languages
Russian (66%)
English (46%)
German (22%)

Sign languages Estonian Sign Language, Russian Sign Language"

See also: jeful.ut.ee/public/files/Elvira+K%25FC%25FCn+223-240.pdf.

659	Latvia  LV      "2,165,165"     100%    "38,870,000,000"                Latgalian       ltg     8.90%                           
660	Latvia  LV      "2,165,165"     100%    "38,870,000,000"        official        Latvian lv      61%                             
661	Latvia  LV      "2,165,165"     100%    "38,870,000,000"                Russian ru      38%                  


See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Latvia#Languages:
"official: Latvian
considered indigenous in some legislation: Livonian, Latgalian
other languages registered as main language [...](in declining order): Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Polish, Romani, Tatar, Yiddish and Hebrew, Estonian, German
other languages widely spoken: English
Latvian Sign Language and Russian Sign Language"

"In the 2011 census, 1,164,894 persons in Latvia reported Latvian as their main language spoken at home; 698,757 respondents listed Russian as their main language spoken at home,[19] representing 37.2% of the total population, whereas Latvian was recorded as the main language spoken at home for 62.1%.[20] Latvian was spoken as a second language by 20.8% of the population, and 43.7% spoke Russian as a second language.[21] In total, 71% of ethnic Latvians said they could speak Russian, and 52% of Russians could speak Latvian in census 2000."

681	Lithuania       LT      "3,505,738"     100%    "67,430,000,000"                English en      38%                             
682	Lithuania       LT      "3,505,738"     100%    "67,430,000,000"        official        Lithuanian      lt      86%                             
683	Lithuania       LT      "3,505,738"     100%    "67,430,000,000"                Russian ru      8%              https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2098.html Russian 8%               
684	Lithuania       LT      "3,505,738"     100%    "67,430,000,000"                Samogitian      sgs     1               Estimate not available.        


See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Lithuania#Languages:
"Native languages in Lithuania, 2011 census.
Lithuanian 84.9%
Russian 7.2%
Polish 5.3%
Belarusian 0.2%
Ukrainian 0.2%
Other 0.2%
Two languages 0.6%
Unspecified 1.4%

Knowledge of foreign languages in Lithuania in 2012, according to the survey by European Commission.
Russian 80%
English 38%
German 14%"

"Lithuanian Sign Language and Russian Sign Language are used by the deaf community."

Finland, cont.

See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Finland:
Official languages

Finnish (1st: 94%, 2nd: 6%[citation needed])
Swedish (1st: 5%, 2nd: 44%)

Minority languages official: Sami, Romani, Finnish Sign Language, Karelian language
Main immigrant languages Russian, Estonian
Main foreign languages English (70%)
German (18%)
French (3%)
Sign languages Finnish Sign Language, Finland-Swedish Sign Language"

Also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Finland#/media/File:Foreign_languages_Finland.jpg

Sweden, cont.

See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Sweden#Foreign_languages,
in particular: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Sweden#/media/File:Foreign_languages_in_Sweden.jpg

comment:10 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

Above I requested deletion of the data line for Interlingua for Sweden. Please also delete Interlingua from the data for France.

You have a bunch of constructed languages listed under "Unknown Region". But Esperanto (eo), the most "famous" of the constructed languages, is missing there; recall that you have a locale for Esperanto... Oddly, Esperanto is listed (only) for San Marino.

comment:11 follow-up: ↓ 14 Changed 2 years ago by mats.gbproject@…

Thanks for this proper work! I'm also going to try help find more sources with data for the Nordic countries.

Statistics Finland actually have some statistics with overview of foreign languages spoken there;

You can eve aggregate the numbers on subdivisions:

About statuses for different languages in Sweden (regional vs national recognition) I've made some comments here:

I don't mind including Elfdalian in the CLDR list, though it should be noted that it is very small.

I do not think we need a special note for it, we simply provide the data for population. However, with this data it will also be evident that for Elfdalian speakers Sweden is the main territory to consider; so we should not only consider this data as helpful for the territory, but it can help support the language itself. Also we should mark Elfdalian as "not recognized" as official authorities to not recognize it as a language according to my suggestion for language categorizations here;

comment:12 Changed 2 years ago by mats.gbproject@…

About Iceland, I found some statistics for pupils, but not national data;

I lived for a short period there. I know many elderly people usually speak good Danish, but do not understand English good, whereas younger people usually are very good in English, but often do not have a good understanding of Danish. I will try check some more into it.

comment:13 Changed 2 years ago by mats.gbproject@…

There are some statistics about language spoken in Sweden in the book "Sveriges språk i siffror : vilka språk talas och av hur många?" by Mikael Parkvall:

I wrote with him on email and he said we could freely use his numbers as long as the source is cited:

Svenska 8000000
Finska (inkl. meänkieli) 200000
Arabiska 155000
Serbokroatiska 130000
Kurdiska 84000
Polska 76000
Spanska 75000
Persiska 74000
Tyska 72000
Danska 57000
Norska 54000
Engelska 54000
Somaliska 53000
Arameiska 52000
Turkiska 45000
Albanska 39000
Thailändska 30000
Ryska 29000
Ungerska 24000
Kantonesiska 20000
Tigrinska 19000
Rumänska 18000
Grekiska 16000
Vietnamesiska 13000
Svenskt teckenspråk 12000
Franska 12000
Estniska 12000
Romani 11000
Nederländska 11000
Portugisiska 10000
Italienska 10000
Bengaliska 8000
Urdu 7500
Punjabiska 7500
Mandarin 7500
Makedonska 7500
Litauiska 7000
Tjeckiska 6000
Samiska 6000
Isländska 6000
Azeriska 6000
Amhariska 6000
Tagalog 5500
Armeniska 5500
Ukrainska 5000
Slovenska 5000
Lettiska 5000
Pasjtunska 4000
Turkmenska 3500
Tamilska 3500
Rwandiska/burundiska 3500
Japanska 3500
Gujaratiska 3500
Slovakiska 3000
Malajiska 3000
Jiddisch 3000
Bulgariska 3000
Mandinka 2500
Koreanska 2500
Uzbekiska 2000
Singalesiska 2000
Oromiska 2000
Min nan 2000
Hindi 2000
Hebreiska 2000
Aromunska 2000
Älvdalska 1900
Vitryska 1700
Överkalixmål 1600
Wolof 1600
Burmesiska 1600
Quechua 1500
Swahili 1300
Mongoliska 1300
Lingala 1300
Berberspråk 1300
Katalanska 1200
Fulani 1200
Akan 1000
Yoruba 900
Luganda 900
Kazakiska 850
Ilokano 850
Igbo 850
Hakka 850
Cebuano 850
Sylheti 800
Khmer 800
Georgiska 800
Dinka 800
Darginska 750
Pangasinan 700
Malayalam 700
Kikongo 700
Kikuyu 600
Hazaragi 600
Tigré 550
Telugu 550
Kreolfranska (flera olika språk) 550
Kirgisiska 500

comment:14 in reply to: ↑ 11 Changed 2 years ago by kent.karlsson14@…

Replying to mats.gbproject@…:

Statistics Finland actually have some statistics with overview of foreign languages spoken there;

For foreign languages (but only primary language, not second language). (Arbitrarily) cutting off at 1000 (maybe a cutoff closer to 5000-10000 would be more reasonable):

Region Language 2015
WHOLE COUNTRY Russian 72436
WHOLE COUNTRY Estonian 48087
WHOLE COUNTRY Somali 17871
WHOLE COUNTRY English 17784
WHOLE COUNTRY Arabic 16713
WHOLE COUNTRY Kurdish 11271
WHOLE COUNTRY Chinese 10722
WHOLE COUNTRY Albanian 9233
WHOLE COUNTRY Persian, Farsi 8745
WHOLE COUNTRY Vietnamese 8273
WHOLE COUNTRY Turkish 7082
WHOLE COUNTRY Spanish 7025
WHOLE COUNTRY Other language 6547
WHOLE COUNTRY Romanian 3161
WHOLE COUNTRY Tagalog 2932
WHOLE COUNTRY Bengali, Bangla 2881
WHOLE COUNTRY Ukrainian 2843
WHOLE COUNTRY Hungarian 2811
WHOLE COUNTRY Italian 2492
WHOLE COUNTRY Portuguese 2409
WHOLE COUNTRY Bulgarian 2313
WHOLE COUNTRY Bosnian 2176
WHOLE COUNTRY Swahili 1641
WHOLE COUNTRY Latvian 1464
WHOLE COUNTRY Amharic 1387
WHOLE COUNTRY Serbo-Croatian 1380
WHOLE COUNTRY Japanese 1278
WHOLE COUNTRY Greek (modern) 1258
WHOLE COUNTRY Lithuanian 1215

comment:15 Changed 2 years ago by mats.gbproject@…

(Arbitrarily) cutting off at 1000 (maybe a cutoff closer to 5000-10000 would be more reasonable):

We could cut of the list at a certain number. Personally I prefer 1000 more than 5000. However, we should make sure that such a rule will not prevent any language from being mapped to a country, for instance smaller languages should always be mapped to the territory where they are predominantly spoken.

comment:16 Changed 2 years ago by emmons

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Since this is not an official language in Sweden, and the population count is so low, we don't see a good reason to add it.


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