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CLDR Ticket #9939(closed data: needs-more-info)

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Yup'ik (ypk) Locale Plurals Update Request

Reported by: esomervi@… Owned by: mark
Component: plurals Data Locale: ypk
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I am requesting definition for "zero", "one", and "two" plurals quantities for the Yup'ik locale, "ypk".

This information is available in the Yup'ik Eskimo Dictionary (Jacobson, 2012). This document is available online from the Alaska Native Language Archive at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
http://www.uaf.edu/anla/collections/search/resultDetail.xml?id=CY972J2012

The Yup'ik language uses three cases in pluralizing nouns: single, dual, and plural. As an example, here are the following cases for the Yup'ik word, dog.

Qimugta - one dog
Qimugtek - two dogs
Qimugtet - three or more dogs

Additionally, Yup'ik noun cases determine possessive parties.

Qimugteka - my dog
Qimugten - your dog
Qimugtaa - his/her/its dog

These noun cases also contain information on the number of possessed nouns, as well as the number in the possessing party.

Qimugteka - my dog
Qimugtenka - the dog belonging to the two of us
Qimugtegken - the dog belonging to the three or more of us
Qimugtepuk - my two dogs
Qimugteput - my three or more dogs
etc.

Similar patterns are found in the Yup'ik verb moods which convey the number of subjects and objects associated with each verb.

taringua - I understand
taringamken - I understand you
taringapuk - The two of us understand the three or more of them

These noun cases and verb moods may be achieved logically by applying two sets of plurals. In noun cases, these two plurals would represent numbers of possessed and numbers of possessor. In verb moods, these plurals would represent the number found in the subject and object parties. The plurals in all usages would need to include single, dual, and three-or-more plural definitions. However, when there are unpossessed nouns and intransitive verbs, Yup'ik would also need a zero case.

Perhaps something along these lines might work:

<plurals name="qimugta, dog"> <!-- number possessed -->
  <item quantity="one">
    <plurals> <!-- number possessing -->
      <item quantity="zero"> <!-- unpossessed -->
        qimugta
      </item>
      <item quantity="one"> <!-- my dog -->
        qimugteka
      </item>
      <item quantity="two"> <!-- our (2) dog -->
        qimugtenka
      </item>
      ...
  <item quantity="two">
    <plurals>
      <item quantity = "zero"> <!-- two unpossessed dogs -->
        qimugtek
      </item>
      <item quantity = "one> <!-- my dogs (2) -->
        qimugtegka
      </item>
      ...

However, this XML is (to my understanding) complete nonsense, so perhaps there could be a workaround.

<plurals name="qimugte"> <!-- how many posessors? Assumes first person, uses root form of word -->
  <item="zero">qimugta</item>
  <item="one">qimugteka</item>
  <item="two">qimugtegka</item>
  <item="other">qimugtenka</item>
</plurals>
<plurals name="qimugta"> <!-- recognized "zero" possessing -->
  <item="one">qimugta</item>
  <item="two">qimugtek</item>
  <item="other">qimugtet</item>
</plurals>
<plurals name="qimugteka"> <!-- recognized "one" possessing -->
  <item="one">qimugteka</item>
  <item="two">qimugtegka</item>
  <item="other">qimugtenka</item>
</plurals>
...

The results from the first <plurals> list provides the key to determine which <plurals> list to access next.

It is for this reason, I am requesting definitions for "zero", "one", and "two" quantities in the Yup'ik (ypk) Locale.

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comment:1 Changed 6 months ago by emmons

  • Owner changed from anybody to mark
  • Phase changed from dsub to rc
  • Priority changed from assess to minor
  • Status changed from new to accepted
  • Milestone changed from UNSCH to 32

comment:2 Changed 5 weeks ago by mark

  • Status changed from accepted to closed
  • Resolution set to needs-more-info
  • Milestone changed from 32 to UNSCH

We don't have a ypk.xml locale, and would need to have at least the core data before it would make sense to add the plural rules. There is information on doing that on http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/minimaldata.

Do you think there would be any interest in the Yupik community in supplying that data?

For the plural rules, we also need information about how fractions are handled, such as what happens to 1.1 or 1.0 (in some languages that is different than for 1).

Please reopen if you have new information.

comment:3 Changed 5 weeks ago by mark

Oh, and here is more info on constructing plural rules.

http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/plural-rules

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