L2/00-115R2

Approved Minutes of the UTC 83 / L2 180 Joint Meeting

Mountain View, CA -- April 28, 2000

August 8, 2000


Number of members in good standing as of this meeting: 20, number of members in regular attendance: 18, Quorum: 9.

PRESENT: Basis Technology; Compaq Computer; Hewlett-Packard Company; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Oracle, Inc.; Sun Microsystems; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation, Xerox Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Apple Computer; Government of India, MIT; Hyperion; PeopleSoft; Progress Software; RLG; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG

Total members represented: 12, Total not represented: 8

Calendar Updates

UTC 84/L2 181 - August 8-11, 2000, Boston, hosted by Progress Software
UTC 85/L2 182 - November 7-10, 2000, San Diego, host NCR
UTC 86/L2 183 - January 29 - February 1, 2001, Cupertino, host IBM
UTC 87/L2 184 - May 21- 24, 2001, Pleasanton, host Peoplesoft
Calendar details posted at www.unicode.org/unicode/timesens/calendar.html
UTC 82/L2 179 Minutes
[83-M1] Motion: Approve the minutes of UTC 82/L2 179 without modification. [L2/00-005R2] 
Moved by Arnold Winkler, seconded by V.S. Umamaheswaran

9 for (Basis, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
3 abstain (Compaq, NCR, Xerox) 

WG2 - Beijing Meeting TC304 Khmer and Ethiopic Glyph Fixes

April 26, 2000

PRESENT: Basis Technology; Compaq Computer; Hewlett-Packard Company; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Sybase, Inc.; Sun Microsystems; Unisys Corporation; Xerox Corporation

NOT PRESENT: Apple Computer, Inc.; Government of India, MIT; Hyperion; Oracle, Inc.; PeopleSoft; Progress Software; RLG; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG

Total members represented: 11, Total not represented: 9

W3C

[83-AI8] Action Item for Mike Ksar, Arnold Winkler, Asmus Freytag: Ensure that UTC members are aware of W3C documents that need to be reviewed.
Random Access of SCSU Strings
[83-AI9] Action Item for Peter Bishop: Incorporate feedback on SCSU proposal received at the meeting and create a new proposal which includes proposed new and changed text to TR#6.
Six Digit Hex Values in Property Files
[83-M4] Motion: Use Unicode scalar values in Unicode data files for all values including surrogates:
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Asmus Freytag

11 for (unanimous) 

[83-AI10] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Add the private use ranges above FFFF to Unidata and properties files where appropriate.

[83-AI11] Action Item for Editorial Committee: Note the use of U+ 4, 5, or 6 hex digits for Unicode scalar values when announcing Unicode 3.0.1.

[83-AI12] Action Item for Mark Davis: Communicate the UTC's decision to use U+ 4, 5, or 6 hex digits for Unicode scalar values to WG2 and submit a proposal requesting that WG2 take appropriate action for synchronization.

[83AI13] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Update the chart program to work with 4, 5, or 6 hex digits for Unicode scalar values.

[83-AI14] Action Item for Arnold Winkler, Mark Davis, Rick McGowan: Communicate the change in number of hex digits to respective liaison organizations (WG20, W3C, IETF).

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Apple Computer and Oracle now present.

Total members represented: 13; Total not represented: 7

Mirroring Characters

[83-M5] Motion: Create a proposed clarification for UTR#9 on the intention and scope of mirroring. Leave the mirror property as it exists today in Unidata and extend it as new characters are added to the standard. Revise the proposed text file to include classification by language usage. [L2/00-131]
Moved by Asmus Freytag, seconded by Ken Whistler

12 for (Apple, Basis, Compaq, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox)
0 against
1 abstain (NCR)

[83-AI15] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Draft proposed language for UTR#9 to clarify mirroring.

[83-AI16] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update the bidi mirroring text file with feedback from the meeting and solicit further input.

Character Normalization in IETF
[83-C1] Consensus: The UTC recommends incorporating into UTR#15 useful information from Internet Draft Character Normalization in IETF Protocols, and having the IETF reference UTR#15 rather than write a RFC on normalization. Other options that can mitigate potential problems would be to make the internet draft informative and change parts of the document. [L2/00-132]

[83-AI17] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Relay the UTC feedback on character normalization to the IETF and then let the UTC know the response.

Vedic Accents
[83-AI18] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Write to the Government of India and Michael Everson, relaying the UTC's concerns, and that the proposal is not yet ready for encoding or submitting to WG2.

[83-C2] Consensus: The UTC feels that variant selectors should be unified across scripts and encoded in one area.
 

Old Italic
[83-M6] Motion: The UTC endorses the changes to Old Italic that document L2/00-140 would make to the 10646-2 CD, other than the glyph for 10307 (the glyph in the CD should be used). A summary of the changes are:
Moved by Asmus Freytag, seconded by V.S. Umamaheswaran

13 for (unanimous)

[83-AI19] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Inform Marc Kuester of the UTC action on Old Italic.
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: HP no longer present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

Georgian

[83-M7] Motion: The UTC does not support the proposal to add additional Georgian characters to the BMP. It does not see sufficient justification at this time for adding different characters instead of using fonts.  We ask that the modifier letters (30-37) be presented in a separate proposal for separate consideration. [L2/99-082] [83-AI20] Action Item for Rick McGowan: Inform WG2 of the UTC position on Georgian.
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: HP now present.

Total members represented: 13; Total not represented: 7

Urdu

[83-M8] Motion: The position of the Unicode consortium for a long time has been to treat these Urdu numbers as font variants.  We therefore oppose the proposal documented in L2/00-134. [83-AI21] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Contact Paul Nelson to find out more information on why these Urdu numbers are being proposed.

[83-AI22] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Contact Paul Nelson with the following items regarding proposal [L2/00-135]:

Thaana UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Apple no longer present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

NTT DoCoMo Pictographs

[83-AI25] Action Item for Mark Davis: Relay UTC feedback to Graham Asher and request an updated proposal:
  • A number are already encoded; should be omitted from proposal
  • The company specific characters should be eliminated
Arabic Thousands Separator
[83-C3] Consensus: The UTC has found errors in the glyphs of U+066B and U+066C and will correct U+066B and U+066C to their V2 shapes, and add explanatory text to the book any of U+066B, U+066C, U+060C, U+002C, or U+002E as numeric separator characters 

[83-AI26] Action Item for Mike Ksar: Relay the UTC feedback on Arabic thousands separator to Paul Nelson.

[83-AI27] Action Item for Editorial Committee and Mike Ksar: The Editorial Committee is to prepare an erratum on the Arabic thousands separator and post to the web site. Mike Ksar will then take it to WG2

[83-AI28] Action Item for Joe Becker: Send a note to Tom Milo and Kamal Mansour describing the UTC action on Arabic thousands separator.


April 27, 2000

PRESENT: Apple Computer, Inc.; Basis Technology; Compaq Computer; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Sybase, Inc.; Sun Microsystems; Unisys Corporation; Xerox Corporation

NOT PRESENT: Government of India, MIT; Hewlett-Packard Company; Hyperion; Oracle, Inc.; PeopleSoft; Progress Software; RLG; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG

Total members represented: 11, Total not represented: 9

Math

[83-C4] Consensus: The size and baseline needs to be corrected for U+25AA BLACK SMALL SQUARE and U+25AB WHITE SMALL SQUARE. The size and position needs to match that of the inside square in U+25A3 WHITE SQUARE CONTAINING BLACK SMALL SQUARE. U+224C ALL EQUAL TO also needs a glyphs change, as the reverse tilde/lazy s divergence appears to be a glyph variant, and Unicode chooses a consistnent tilde shape. 

[83-AI29] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Contact the appropriate font designers and let them know of the changes to U+25AA BLACK SMALL SQUARE,  U+25AB WHITE SMALL SQUARE, and U+224C ALL EQUAL TO.

[83-AI30] Action Item for Patrick Ion: Analyze math symbols to propose annotations to clarify character usage.

[83-M11] Motion:The UTC accepts the list of math symbol characters, their glyphs, and positions with the following corrections: [L2/00-119]

[83-C5] Consensus: The preferred rendering of not a number is the three letters NAN .
Parts of the Standard
[83-C6] Consensus: The UTC directs the editorial committee to change the naming and numbering of Unicode Technical Reports that are part of The Standard to the name: Unicode Standard Annex (UAX). The versioning will be the same as The Standard (e.g. 3.X.X), with the file version maintaining the current update numbering scheme. [ L2/00-118]
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Oracle, SAP (by proxy), PeopleSoft now present

NOT PRESENT: Apple no longer present.

Total members represented: 13; Total not represented: 7

[83-M12] Motion: Create a type of stand-alone Unicode Standard document called the Unicode Technical Standard, and put UTR#10, Unicode Collation Algorithm in this category, changing its name to: Unicode Technical Standard #10, Collation Algorithm. [L2/00-118]
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Sun no longer present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

Release Schedule of Fixes to Unicode V3

[83-M14] Motion: The UTC approves an update version of the Unicode Standard, Version 3.0.1, to be issued in June, which is to encompass changes to the data files, semantic changes, and corrigenda, except for those related to new characters, that have been approved by this committee by the end of this UTC meeting. The renaming of UTRs will coincide with this release, so that the 3.0.1 update version will include the appropriate Unicode Standard Annexes and Unicode Technical Standards.
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Sun now present.

Total members represented: 13; Total not represented: 7

Unique Sequence Identifiers

[83-AI33] Action Item for V.S. Umamaheswaran: Update the Unique Sequence Identifiers document with UTC feedback (using angle brackets and commas with optional spaces), and forward to WG2 as an L2 contribution. [L2/00-150R]
Unicode in Markup Languages
[83-M15] Motion: Advance Proposed Draft UTR#20: Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages to Draft UTR#20: Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages. [L2/00-145]
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: NCR no longer present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

Collation

[83-M16] Motion: Accept the proposed changes (fixes for version numbering, contracting characters, missing case in the formulation of shifted, fixes in normalize, steps 1 and 2, and derived collation elements) given in document L2/00-141, plus the notation changes given in the first e-mail from L2/00-157, and update the text of UTS#10: Unicode Collation Algorithm, after review by the Editorial Committee.
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: NCR now present.

Total members represented: 13 Total not represented: 7

Normalization

Case Folding UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: HP now present.

Total members represented: 14; Total not represented: 6

Character Mapping Tables

UTF-32 Script Codes

April 28, 2000

PRESENT: Basis Technology; Compaq Computer; Hewlett-Packard Company; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; PeopleSoft; Sybase, Inc.; Sun Microsystems; Unisys Corporation

NOT PRESENT: Apple Computer, Inc.; Government of India, MIT; Hyperion; Oracle, Inc.; Progress Software; RLG; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG; Xerox Corporation

Total members represented: 11, Total not represented: 9

Collation

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: HP, Unisys no longer present.

Total members represented: 9; Total not represented: 11

[83-M20] Motion: Accept the revised wording of L2/00-141, section 3.2.2, item 2, on shifted trim and update the text of UTS#10: Collation Algorithm, after review by the Editorial Committee:
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Ken Whistler

8 for (Basis, Compaq, IBM, Justsystem, Peoplesoft, NCR, Sun, Sybase)
0 against ()
1 abstain (Microsoft)

[83-AI41] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Update UTS#10: Unicode Collation Algorithm, for shifted trimmed definition and examples, reflecting motion 83-M20. 
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: HP, Oracle, SAP, Unisys, Xerox now present.

Total members represented: 14; Total not represented: 6

UTF-8-16

[83-AI42] Action Item for Toby Phipps: Working with other interested parties, draft a white paper on implementing Unicode in databases. 
Math
[83-M21] Motion: Change the glyph for U+2216 SET MINUS to have a smaller angle to eliminate the need for a new set difference character. Change the proposed U+29F5 character to REVERSE SOLIDUS OPERATOR and override the glyph update agreed to in 83-M11, which will be the reverse counterpart to U+2215 DIVISION SLASH.
Zero Width Grapheme Joiner UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Apple now present.

NOT PRESENT: PeopleSoft no longer present.

Total members represented: 14; Total not represented: 6

Duplicate Grass Radicals

[83-M22] Motion: Rescind UTC acceptance of the four duplicate radicals that we accepted at the last meeting: U+FA4A, U+FA66, U+FA5E, U+FA5F, because we accepted them without first seeing which radicals they were. [L2/00-148]
Compatibility Ideographs
[83-AI46] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Add the discussion of more information about compatibility ideographs and possible unifications to the August UTC agenda. [L2/00-146, L2/00-147]
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: PeopleSoft now present.

NOT PRESENT: Apple, Basis  no longer present.

Total members represented: 13; Total not represented: 7

DIS 14651 (Collation)

[83-M23] Motion: Instruct our L2 liaison to communicate to L2 that we support the DIS 14651 documented in L2/00-110. [83-AI47] Action Item for Editorial Committee: Maintain appropriate versions of the data tables for all Unicode Technical Standards (UTS).
UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: HP, Microsoft, Xerox  no longer present.

Total members represented: 10; Total not represented: 10

Supplemental Terminal Graphics

[83-M24] Motion: Move to accept eighteen characters documented in L2/00-159: [83-AI48] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Include the eighteen characters approved in motion 83-M24 and all other approved characters in a proposal for WG2.

[83-AI49] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the Unicode web site pipeline document for all characters accepted during this meeting.


 
 
Attendees: Representing:
Joe Becker  Xerox
Peter Bishop RightWorks
Mark Davis  IBM
Asmus Freytag Basis
Hideki Hiura  Sun
Patrick Ion  AMS
Tatsuo Kobayashi  Justsystem
Mike Ksar  HP
Wai-man Long Compaq
Rick McGowan  Apple
Lisa Moore IBM
Toby Phipps PeopleSoft
Gary Roberts NCR
Murray Sargent  Microsoft
V.S. Umamaheswaran  IBM
Ken Whistler Sybase
Cathy Wissink Microsoft
Arnold Winkler Unisys
Jianping Yang Oracle
Michael Yau Oracle