Re: Norwegian sorting

From: Herman Ranes (herman@iet.hist.no)
Date: Mon Jan 21 2002 - 09:26:01 EST


Tex Texin skreiv:

> I gave a course in internationalization last week, and one of the slides
> I used indicated that in Norwegian u-umlaut sorts with Y between X and
> Z. Some Norwegians attending disputed this. I see this is referenced
> elsewhere as well and is claimed to be true for the other Scandanavian
> languages also.
>
> I scanned a couple dictionaries and couldn't find a use of u-umlaut.
>
> a) Is it true or not that u-umlaut would sort with y, in Scandanavian
> languages?

In Norwegian (both nynorsk and bokmål) the answer is yes.

>
> b) Can someone offers some example words that demonstrate words with
> u-umlaut sorting appropriately?

Consider the following scanned exerpt from the Trondheim telephone
directory, containing the name _Müller_:
http://www.hist.no/~herman/mu.png

>
> c) I am guessing that u-umlaut only appears in borrowed foreign words.
> Regardless, can anyone offer an explanation why u-umlaut would sort with
> y, instead of u? (OK, I know that international things don't have to
> make logical sense, but I thought I would ask anyway.)

Norwegian names with the letter _ü_ are in most cases ethnically German
names. The pronunciation of the Norwegian vowel _y_ approximates, better
than other vowels, the pronunciation of the German vowel _ü_.

>
> thanks / tack så
>

Helsingar,

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