RE: Beta version

From: Kent Karlsson (kentk@md.chalmers.se)
Date: Wed Jan 30 2002 - 16:41:14 EST


COMBINING RING ABOVE and COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER O look different
(small "true" ring vs. an o-shape (rarely a "true" circle) a bit larger
than the small ring). The latter is a historic precursor to the former.

COMBINING DIAERESIS and COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER E really look
different, though, again, the latter is a historic precursor to the former.

In both cases either of the here contrasted diacritics can be used with
fraktur as well as with "antiqua". Maybe the use of the "modern" versions
with fraktur is a modernistic abuse, but still. For "antiqua" both
versions *could* be used freely(!) mixed in a text up to about hundred
years ago or so (I haven't tried to find out exactly when), when the
modern versions took over completely. Mixing styles might be seen as
bad typography, but it did happen.

Of course, e.g., a, <a, small-e-above>, and a should be ordered the same
at the primary level for the Nordic languages.

                /kent k

PS (with regard to the related issue with Vietnamese)

Notice how the UCA (UTS 10) requires that <a, dot-below, ring-above>
be ordered at the primary level as an a (<a, ring-above>), when a is
tailored at the primary level (e.g. to be near the end of the alphabet),
but the dot is a secondary level difference. (Unfortunately, 14651 does
not make the same requirement...)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: unicode-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bounce@unicode.org]On
> Behalf Of Michael Everson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:12 AM
> To: unicode@unicode.org
> Subject: Re: Beta version
>
>
> At 20:04 +0100 2002-01-29, Stefan Persson wrote:
> >Concerning glyphs U+0364 and U+0366 at
> >http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U32-0300.pdf: Aren't these
> the same as
> >U+0308 and U+030A? In old Swedish U+0364 was used for words
> written in
> >Fraktur (non-loan words), while U+0308 was used for words written in
> >"antikva" (loan words and most personal names).
>
> They are required for Middle High German texts. 0366 is debatable,
> but usage is up to the user.
> --
> Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com
>



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