Re: Private Use Agreements and Unapproved Characters

From: Kenneth Whistler (kenw@sybase.com)
Date: Tue Mar 12 2002 - 19:37:47 EST


Stefan asked:

> > In general, no. If there is a fair chance that something will become
> > part of Unicode, we usually don't register it. There are exceptions,
> > like Tengwar and Cirth.
>
> Is there any chance that Tengwar and Cirth might become parts of the UCS?

Yes. I consider them perfectly valid instances of scripts, in reasonably
wide use for a number of purposes, and well-enoughed defined that the
encoding can be decided. And there are enough members of the UTC who
think they are valid that they can still be considered clearly on the
table (though not actively under investigation for any imminent
encoding).

> I
> know that they have been proposed for inclusion, but all proposed characters
> don't have to be included in the standard... Would it even be *legal* to
> include those characters (referring to U+00A9 COPYRIGHT SIGN)?

Why not? Elvish poetry is published in academic publications using
Tengwar, without anybody paying some licensing fee to somebody for
use of the characters. I see nothing preventing standardization of
the scripts -- and many of the users of the scripts would be in favor
of such an action.

>
> BTW, has *any* script, invented for *any* kind of fiction (or similar), ever
> been fully approved and included in the UCS?

Shavian has been approved by the UTC for inclusion in Unicode, and is
under ballot as an amendment for 10646 currently. It wasn't exactly
invented *for* fiction per se, but rather as a failed orthographic
reform, but it was used, of course, to publish Androcles and the Lion.

> And, has any such script ever
> been rejected?

The Klingon *script* has been rejected, since it is ill-defined,
and is not actually used by Klingon language fans to represent
Klingon. (Klingon is normally represented in a Latin-script-based
orthography.)

--Ken



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