Re: The Arrogants and the sillies (RE: Euros and cents)

From: Seth Jerchower (sethj@pobox.upenn.edu)
Date: Tue Mar 26 2002 - 16:48:18 EST


Unfortunately, here in the States the plural "fishes" is almost commonplace, and often makes its way into the media (especially in nature programs). This notwithstanding the famous Seussian title, "One Fish, Two Fish ... " (one Dr. Seuss, two Dr. Seese??).

Cattle, from Middle Latin (through French) CATELLUS, originally was synonomous with "herd"; the middle English plural for cow was "kine".

In general, there are three types of plural in English: -s, -en (children, kine), and umlaut (goose > geese). The last two types are very common among IE languages ("kine" actually represents a dual form, both and -n and an umlaut plural). Finally, for certain animals, there is the type "sheep/deer", but I believe these also have origin with an umlaut form.

"Fish/Fishes" is somewhat interesting. Is "Fish" pl. akin to the type "sheep/deer", or is there a phonetic component as well, due to an assimilation of "-s" with "sh"? At any rate, "fishes" is used as a simple plural, not as a collective, as in "sands" (meaning "sandy terrains"), "moneys" (meaning "funds").

Just a few meditations for the group,
SJ



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