I guess everybody know that "the" has genders in Germany: der, die, das
Now imagine the poor American arriving in Munich and stepping on a
Bavarian's toe:
"Das die der Dei-bel hol"
(I messed with the Bavarian spelling a bit to get my point across.)
I' bä a Schwob
(I learned German the first time in a tiny Swabian village near
Tübingen)
Dave
--- "Vaintroub, Wladislav" <Wladislav.Vaintroub@softwareag.com> wrote:
> Despite all the similarities in pronounciations of Russian U+0429 and
> German
> "ich" ,
> U+0429 seems to be very hard for pronounce Germans, who learn Russian
> (the
> most complicated for Germans is I think U+042B, which most of them
> pronounce
> like German "u").
>
> Icke,
> (a Russian living in Berlin)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Possin [mailto:dave_i18n@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 2:17 PM
> To: Otto Stolz; Rick Cameron
> Cc: unicode@unicode.org
> Subject: Re: German 'ich' (was: Pronunciation of U+0429)
>
>
> I was thinking about Hessisch too, which is Frankfurt area and the
> German Bundesland Hessen.
> I think I can distinguish about 6 different dialects, each one has a
> different pronunciation of 'ich'. If anybody is interested I can
> organize a conference call offlist and we can listen to the various
> sounds by phone. Compare it with the Berlin version ;-)
>
> Dave
> --- Otto Stolz <Otto.Stolz@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:
> > Rick Cameron wrote:
> >
> > > At http://www.philol.msu.ru/rus/galya-1/kons/n-2.htm you can find
> > > audiovisual samples for the consonants of the Russian alphabet.
> The
> > entry
> > > for U+0429 (which they write as D?') sure looks and sounds like
> an
> > ich-laut
> > > to me.
> >
> > Are you referring to the German standard pronounciation [A?],
> > or have you, by any chance, heard this phoneme pronounced by
> > a Hessian [Ef]? The latter would resemble the pronounciation of
> > "N?" much more than the former (which is normally transliterated
> > into Russian as "D3").
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Otto Stolz
> >
> >
=====
Dave Possin
Globalization Consultant
www.Welocalize.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locales/
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