Re: Hebrew script in IDN

From: Cary Karp (ck@nic.museum)
Date: Sat Nov 19 2005 - 10:47:29 CST

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    There's more to the use of Hebrew script in IDN than GERESH or
    GERSHAYIM :-)

    With specific regard to Yiddish--

    The Yiddish digraphs 'tsvey vovn', 'vov yud', and 'tsvey yudn', can
    be entered in two different ways from a Hebrew keyboard. If there
    are single keys for each of them, it is likely that they will
    produce the ligatures HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH DOUBLE VAV (U+05F0),
    HEBREW LIGATURE YIDDISH VAV YOD (U+05F1), and HEBREW LIGATURE
    YIDDISH DOUBLE YOD (U+05F2). Even when this option is available,
    some users may enter them as two key combinations, giving HEBREW
    LETTER VAV - HEBREW LETTER VAV (U+05D5 U+05D5), HEBREW LETTER VAV -
    HEBREW LETTER YOD (U+05D5 U+05D9), and HEBREW LETTER YOD - HEBREW
    LETTER YOD (U+05D9 U+05D9). It is not apparent that the one form is
    used preferentially to the other, and no attempt at normalizing them
    has yet been made.

    However, in an application such as IDN where a string entered from a
    keyboard needs to be matched exactly with a stored string, and the
    keyboarded string may be represented in different ways, the
    application will obviously need to accommodate all alternative input
    forms. If the registry also contains the corresponding multiple
    representations, the intended result at the user end will be
    ensured.

    There are also good reasons for preferring the stored form to be
    unique. At least on first consideration, it would seem to make sense
    for the canonical form to be the one most frequently encountered in
    keyboarding practice. Does anyone on this list know if these three
    digraphs are more frequently entered as single characters, or as two
    characters combinations? What would the likely behavior be if it
    were not clear to the user whether the string to be entered was in
    Yiddish or in Hebrew?

    Just in case I'm about to be told that both options are not
    regularly available on stock Hebrew keyboards, they are in fact
    supported in all Yiddish keyboard drivers. One popular source is
    http://www.shoshke.net/uyip/keyboards.htm, and the drivers there may
    also be of relevance to the consideration of GERESH and GERSHAYIM.

    (Apologies to anyone who saw me post the same basic questions to the
    UYIP list. They were not answered there, which is why I'm hoping to
    continue the discussion here.)

    /Cary



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