Re: U+0345 COMBINING GREEK YPOGEGRAMMENI not usable in other scripts as "hook below"?

From: Alexej Kryukov (akrioukov@newmail.ru)
Date: Mon Jun 19 2006 - 16:02:27 CDT

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    On Saturday 17 June 2006 23:28, John Hudson wrote:
    >
    > The use of adscript iota with uppercase letters certainly precedes
    > the 19th and 20th century. I have seen examples from the 16th
    > century. Yes, these were in editions published outside of Greece, but
    > as Konstantine Staikos has documented, emigre Greeks were heavily
    > involved in that publishing.

    Well, I agree that the tradition to put adscript iota after
    capital letters may have existed long before the 19th century. I just
    insist that the opposite practice is also perfectly legal (at least
    in some types of editions) and may well correspond to the requirements
    of fine Greek typography.

    > The <ccmp> feature can be used to decompose individual glyphs into
    > multiple glyphs. Decomposing digraphs is one of the uses for it.

    Unfortunately, <ccmp> is not exactly that I want, because this tag
    is normally used to describe very basical shaping behavior rather
    that just typographic peculiarities. So disabling it would probably
    be a bad idea (even if the application allows to do that). Thus I
    can't use <ccmp> for those situations where I want to allow users
    to access default glyph images mapped to specific slots by turning
    any such "decompositions" defined for those slots off.

    I also think that the desired type of glyph replacement cannot be
    called "decomposition" in the strict sense. Suppose I would like
    <U+1F08, U+03B9> to be substituted instead of <U+1F88>: this
    substitution would be absolutely correct from the typographic point of
    view, but surely will have nothing to do with the canonical
    decomposition for <U+1F88>, which is <U+1F08, U+0345>. So I am not sure
    if using <ccmp> for this purpose would be really correct.

    > However, note that not all digraphs should necessarily be spaced out
    > when overall spacing is increased: the Dutch IJ digraph is often seen
    > spaced like e.g. R IJ N -- even in inscriptions carved in stone,
    > where font or application limitations certainly were not to blame.

    Well, even if some Latin digraphs don't require to be spaced out, all
    Greek combinations with iota adscript surely do.

    -- 
    Regards,
    Alexej Kryukov <akrioukov at newmail dot ru>
    Moscow State University
    Historical Faculty
    


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