From: Denis Jacquerye (moyogo@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Jul 25 2007 - 06:15:52 CDT
On 7/25/07, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Denis Jacquerye wrote:
> > Envoyé: mercredi 25 juillet 2007 07:05
> > À: Aiet Kolkhi
> > Cc: Andreas Prilop; unicode@unicode.org; Marnen Laibow-Koser;
> > unicore@unicode.org
> > Objet: Re: Titles and headings in Georgian script
> >
> > On 7/24/07, Aiet Kolkhi <aietkolkhi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > this is a very interesting question.
> > >
> > > To put it short, this is somewhat incorrect to comprare "Mtavruli"
> > > (capital) style of contemporary Georgian alphabet (Mkhedruli) to small
> > > caps font style. And it is definitely wrong to look for solutions in
> > > CSS and other typographical directions, as the two "styles" or scripts
> > > (consider as you like) are different in shape and changing size of the
> > > characters would not give us Mtavruli style from Mkedruli script, nor
> > > the other way around.
> >
> > The right solution for most applications at the moment is to use a
> > specific font with Mtavruli.
> >
> > > The only solution enabling users to use Georgian Mtavruli style
> > > together with Georgian contemporary Mkhedruli alphabet would be to add
> > > Georgian Mtavruli style range to Unicode (or to apply fonts on
> > > different parts of the text, one font having Georgian Mkhedruli
> > > characters in 10D0-10FF range and the other using Mtavruli style of
> > > Georgian Mkedruli character in the same 10D0-10FF range).
> >
> > This solution makes sense, although it is argued against in the
> > Unicode documentation stating Mtavruli is just a style variant.
> > Comparing it to Smallcaps is wrong since it implies capitals, but
> > capitals don't exist for Mkhedruli, also Smallcaps are oftern mixed
> > with Capitals whereas Mtavruli isn't mixed with Mkhedruli. "Titling"
> > is really better as John Hudson suggests.
>
> You have missed a part of the discussion !
>
> "Mtavruli", as intended by the author of the question, did NOT designate
> "Asomtavruli" but REALLY a small-capitals variant style from the default
> Georgian Mkhedruli script (where ascenders and descenders are suppressed,
> and all letters are made as high as capitals, all above the baseline.
Small-capitals of non existant capitals doesn't make sense to me.
Titling style does.
> He EXPLICITLY stated that, and this did NOT contradict the Unicode
> documentation that discusses "Asomtavruli" (the half part for capitals or
> for old monumental styles of the separate Georgian Khutsuri script, the
> other part being Nukhsuri for lowercase letters) but says nothing about
> "Mtavruli".
>
> The solutions proposed were correct (even though we lack some confirmation
> that "Mtavruli" is the correct name for this variant style), because this is
> still the normal Mkhedruli script, with just a variant of form, so it does
> not require reencoding the text. That's something that can't be performed by
> reencoding it to Asomtavruli, but only through the alternate style-only
> solutions. And just adjusting the size of the fonts will not produce the
> expected effect, this really needs a separate font or a font made with
> small-caps variant glyphs for the Georgian Mkhedruli letters.
I understood encoding Mtavruli as its own block.
I definitely agree about a Mtavruli font being the best solution.
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