Re: Obsolete characters

From: Mark Davis (mark@macchiato.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 2009 - 11:32:56 CST

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    Good point. See my suggestion above.

    Mark

    On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 09:02, Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com>wrote:

    > [stopping the cross-list posting]
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    > But standard IPA is not the only convention for phonetic transcription in
    > use. Patrick's point, which Andrew re-iterated and which I will add my voice
    > to is that some of those characters are very much used by Sinologists.
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    > Peter
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    > *From:* unicore-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:unicore-bounce@unicode.org] *On
    > Behalf Of *Mark Davis
    > *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 8:45 AM
    > *To:* Andrew West
    > *Cc:* UTC; Unicode
    > *Subject:* Re: Obsolete characters
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    > The word I got a response from John Wells (who would know) that
    > [ɩɷɼɿʅ-ʇʓʖʗʚʞʠʣʥʦʨ-ʯ] contains three characters that have never been IPA
    > (ɿʅʯ) , and the rest are "obsolete, archaic, no longer taught to students,
    > no longer in use".
    >
    > So at least in terms of official IPA usage, these would count as "archaic".
    > I presume that their use has been supplanted by others, but I don't know any
    > details.
    >
    > Mark
    >
    > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 02:22, Andrew West <andrewcwest@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > 2009/1/15 Mark Davis <mark@macchiato.com>:
    >
    > >
    > > U+027F ( ɿ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER REVERSED R WITH FISHHOOK
    > > U+0285 ( ʅ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER SQUAT REVERSED ESH
    >
    > > U+02A3 ( ʣ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER DZ DIGRAPH
    > > U+02A5 ( ʥ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER DZ DIGRAPH WITH CURL
    > > U+02A6 ( ʦ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TS DIGRAPH
    > > U+02A8 ( ʨ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TC DIGRAPH WITH CURL
    >
    > > U+02AE ( ʮ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED H WITH FISHHOOK
    > > U+02AF ( ʯ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED H WITH FISHHOOK AND TAIL
    >
    > As Patrick Chew has already pointed out, these characters are
    > ubiquitous in the Sinitic tradition of IPA notation, and are certainly
    > not obsolete.
    >
    > I'm not sure about these tone letters, but I suspect that they are
    > also not obsolete:
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    > > U+02F9 ( ˹ ) MODIFIER LETTER BEGIN HIGH TONE
    > > U+02FA ( ˺ ) MODIFIER LETTER END HIGH TONE
    > > U+02FB ( ˻ ) MODIFIER LETTER BEGIN LOW TONE
    > > U+02FC ( ˼ ) MODIFIER LETTER END LOW TONE
    >
    > > U+A700 ( ꜀ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YIN PING
    > > U+A701 ( ꜁ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YANG PING
    > > U+A702 ( ꜂ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YIN SHANG
    > > U+A703 ( ꜃ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YANG SHANG
    > > U+A704 ( ꜄ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YIN QU
    > > U+A705 ( ꜅ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YANG QU
    > > U+A706 ( ꜆ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YIN RU
    > > U+A707 ( ꜇ ) MODIFIER LETTER CHINESE TONE YANG RU
    > > U+A720 ( ꜠ ) MODIFIER LETTER STRESS AND HIGH TONE
    > > U+A721 ( ꜡ ) MODIFIER LETTER STRESS AND LOW TONE
    >
    > On the other hand these Zhuang tone characters (not listed) probably
    > should be considered to be obsolete:
    >
    > U+0185 ( ƅ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TONE SIX
    > U+01A8 ( ƨ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TONE TWO
    > U+01BD ( ƽ ) LATIN SMALL LETTER TONE FIVE
    >
    > Andrew
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