Re: Engmagate?

Le 12/12/13 23:52, Asmus Freytag a écrit :
> On 12/12/2013 2:25 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote:
>> Hmmm... As a person with Russian as the first language I can assure
>> you that from any literate Russian-speaking person's perspective
>> italic ū is an unacceptable and *WRONG* representation of п (because
>> in Russian, unlike Serbian, there is й). Should we bother disunifying?
>
> This example adds the issue of font style - because for styles other
> than italic, the issue doesn't exist. I would take that as a stronger
> indication that this is an issue that belongs in glyph space.
>>
>> The fact that the lowercase letter is the same in both cases proves
>> that the difference between N-Eng and n-Eng is purely stylistic
>> rather than semantic. Unicode shouldn't bother with those minutia.
>
> What about the reverse case, where the uppercase is the same and the
> lower case isn't?
>
> There are precedents in Unicode where these have been disunified.
>
> U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH
> U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D
>
> look exactly identical.

In this case, that’s the capitals which look the same while the
lowercase letters are different.

There’s also Ə ə vs Ǝ ǝ.

>
> Precedents like this make the issue considerably less than clear cut,

+1

>
>>
>> > I suppose nothing will happen until the governments of eng-using
>> countries come together with a proposal.
>>
>> Let's hope so. I wish they never do.
>
> Lets hope they come together and endorse a solution that takes into
> account not only rendering, but identifier security issues as well.
> And while they are at it, I wouldn't refuse if they squared the circle.
>
> A./
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Michael Everson
>> <everson_at_evertype.com <mailto:everson_at_evertype.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Dec 2013, at 15:29, Leo Broukhis <leob_at_mailcom.com
>> <mailto:leob_at_mailcom.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hasn't http://www.unicode.org/standard/where/#Variant_Shapes
>> explained it once and for all?
>>
>> No, because users of N-shaped capital Eng consider n-shaped
>> capital Eng to be *WRONG*, not an acceptable variant. And because
>> n-shaped capital Eng consider N-shaped capital Eng to be *WRONG*,
>> not an acceptable variant.
>>
>> Disunification is the best solution.
>>
>> I suppose nothing will happen until the governments of eng-using
>> countries come together with a proposal.
>>
>> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>>
>>
>
Received on Fri Dec 13 2013 - 02:19:44 CST