Re: Unicode in passwords

Some additional concerns:

- Input methods for Chinese, Japanese,... need visual feedback to check
that the correct Han character was selected. That may show (some parts
of) the password to bystanders.

- Length limitations of 8 bytes are few and far between these days, but
they still exist. Even where they are gone, they may have been replaced
with "safe" limitations, say e.g. 50 bytes. That may still be pretty
restrictive for some languages when using UTF-8.

- There may occasionally be different length limitations for different
kinds of access with the same password. That can create very difficult
situations where the length limitation cuts off part of a UTF-8 byte
sequence.

- Some interfaces try to estimate the 'quality' of a password on
password creation. Short passwords, or passwords with only lower-case
Latin may be rejected, others labeled as 'medium safe', and so on. A
password with lots of bytes may be labeled as 'excellent' even though it
consists of characters all taken from the same small script, and thus
has rather low entropy. Of course, there's the effect that at least for
a while, the bad guys may think it's too bothersome to try non-ASCII
passwords, so that may temporarily make them somewhat safer.

Regards, Martin.

On 2015/10/01 14:01, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote:
> I've heard some concerns, mostly around the UI for people typing in
> passwords; that they get frustrated when they have to type their password
> on different devices:
>
> 1. A device may not have keyboard mappings with all the keys for their
> language.
> 2. The keyboard mappings across devices vary where they put keys,
> especially for minority script characters using some pattern of
> shift/alt/option/etc.. So the pattern of keys that they use on one may be
> different than on another.
> 3. People are often 'blind' to the characters being entered: they just
> see a dot, for example. If the keyboards for their language are not
> standard, then that makes it difficult.
> 4. Even if they see, for an instant, the character they type, if the
> device doesn't have a font for their language's characters, it may be just
> a box.
> 5. Even if those are not true, the glyph may not be distinctive enough
> if the size is too small.
>
>
>
> Mark <https://google.com/+MarkDavis>
>
> *— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —*
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 6:11 AM, Jonathan Rosenne <jonathan.rosenne_at_gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> For languages such as Java, passwords should be handled as byte arrays
>> rather than strings. This may make it difficult to apply normalization.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan Rosenne
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>> *From:* Unicode [mailto:unicode-bounces_at_unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *Clark
>> S. Cox III
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:16 AM
>> *To:* Hans Åberg
>> *Cc:* unicode_at_unicode.org; John O'Conner
>> *Subject:* Re: Unicode in passwords
>>
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>> On 2015/09/30, at 13:29, Hans Åberg <haberg-1_at_telia.com> wrote:
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>> On 30 Sep 2015, at 18:33, John O'Conner <jsoconner_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Can you recommend any documents to help me understand potential issues (if
>> any) for password policies and validation methods that allow characters
>> from more "exotic" portions of the Unicode space?
>>
>>
>> On UNIX computers, one computes a hash (like SHA-256), which is then used
>> to authenticate the password up to a high probability. The hash is stored
>> in the open, but it is not known how to compute the password from the hash,
>> so knowing the hash does not easily allow authentication.
>>
>> So if the password is
>>
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>>
>> … normalized and then …
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>>
>> encoded in say UTF-8 and then hashed, it would seem to take care of most
>> problems.
>>
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>>
>> You really wouldn’t want “Schlüssel” and “Schlüssel” being different
>> passwords, would you? (assuming that my mail client and/or OS is not
>> interfering, the first is NFC, while the second is NFD)
>>
>
Received on Mon Oct 05 2015 - 22:38:53 CDT