How can my research become implemented in a standardized manner?
verdy_p at wanadoo.fr
Sun Oct 11 18:32:28 CDT 2015
In fact this is not just inventing new characters, all this personal
research is about inventing a new human language as well ! This cannot be
done alone without people interested in communicatiung in that language.
This is also more than new characters for the orthography, it is also about
creating a grammar, and defining usages.
All this work will not succeed without first developping a glossary (later
a dictionnary, not necessarily bilingual) and educational supports, and
opening it to discussions and evolutions. Consider the hard work that was
done for creating Esperanto (even if it did not require inventing a new
script, some characters were invented using uncommon combinations of
existing Latin letters and diacritics), this is a very long way before the
communciation can become really useful and starts dissimenating and being
used to create real text with it.
What is strange with that language for now is that it is only meant to be
read, but it has no phonology at all. This is then very far from a human
language (whose primary support has always been oral first before being
written). Without the oral form, the language will not succeed
* Consider Esperanto, it also has an oral form, more or less based on
Polish and German phonologies, even if there are variable accents, but this
is more or less stabilized by using a formal phonology, simplifying the
actual phonetics for minimal mutual understanding by educated
differenciation of groups of related phonems).
* Consider Emojis: they basically represent basic nouns in Japanese or
English, and they are more or less translatable. They also include a few
some "adjectives" (e.g. skin color), and a basic syntax for them. There are
some forms of compound nouns (e.g. FAMILY or COUPLE) linked by ZWJ rather
than hyphens but their complete meaning is based on their component nouns
(MAN, WOMAN, BOY, GIRL). They are successful because they adequately
represent common nouns or expressions in many languages with more or less
equal meaning, so they are easily read orally.
2015-10-12 1:03 GMT+02:00 gfb hjjhjh <c933103 at gmail.com>:
> I believe using markup languages would be a better approach than getting
> some new character.
> 2015/10/12 4:27 "William_J_G Overington" <wjgo_10009 at btinternet.com>:
> Please note that I am on moderated post, so if this post does get sent to
>> the Unicode mailing list it will be because the moderator has kindly agreed
>> to it being circulated.
>> I have recently made significant progress with my research in
>> communication through the language barrier. The capabilities are
>> greatly improved.
>> On 7 October 2015 I submitted a document, hoping that it would become
>> included in the Unicode Document Register.
>> I have been informed that a group of people have examined the document
>> and determined that it is out of scope for UTC.
>> I am not seeking to question that decision.
>> As an independent researcher, not representing an organization, nor in
>> fact employed by any organization at all, I am trying to get the system
>> standardized as an international standard.
>> I feel that trying to produce first a widely-used system using a Private
>> Use Area encoding is not a realistic practical goal and even if it were
>> practical the result would be lots of legacy data. I feel that to become
>> successful the system needs standardization and implementation to go
>> forward together.
>> So what to do?
>> More generally, how are the format and the encoding of tagspaces to be
>> carried out in the future?
>> The document is available on the web at the present time in two places.
>> There is a file available for download as an attachment in a forum post
>> of 8 October 2015 in the High-Logic Gallery forum.
>> Adding a direct link to the post is not at present possible using the
>> particular email system that I am using.
>> There is direct access in my family webspace.
>> In addition I have deposited the document at the British Library.
>> William Overington
>> 10 October 2015
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