Mende Kikakui Number 10
Philippe Verdy
verdy_p at wanadoo.fr
Fri Jun 10 03:54:07 CDT 2016
I do not contest that about number 11, and it was not the question !
The question was about number **10**:
* ONE+TENS or ONE+TEENS ?
This is NOT specified clearly in TUS Chapter 19 which speaks about numbers
1-9 then 11-19 for TEENS, and TENS for numbers 20-99.
The question is the same about 110,210,...,910:
* (ONE..NINE)+HUNDREDS+ONE+TENS or (ONE..NINE)+HUNDREDS+ONE+TEENS ?
For me it seems that both questions will repy with ONE+TENS, not ONE+TEENS.
2016-06-10 9:00 GMT+02:00 Andrew Cunningham <lang.support at gmail.com>:
> Hi Phillipe,
>
> ONE+TEENS (1E8C7,1E8D0) is definitely the number 11
>
> A.
> On 10 Jun 2016 4:53 pm, "Philippe Verdy" <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Given that there's no digit for zero, you need to append combining
>> characters to digits 1-9 in order to multiply them by a base
>> 10/100/1,000/10,000/100,000/1,000,000. The system is then additive. I don't
>> know how zero is represented. Note that for base 10, when the first digit
>> is 1 (i.e. for numbers 11-19), the combining character is not 1E8D1 (TENS)
>> but 1E8D0 (TEENS), i.e. the slash-like glyph. But the description says that
>> TEENS is only for numbers 11-19, not for number 10.
>>
>> But I agree that there should be a reference in
>> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1E800.pdf, to the description in
>> http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode8.0.0/ch19.pdf (section 19.8,
>> pages 722-723) that would explain how to render 10 (add some rows in table
>> 19-6 for the numbers 10/100/.../1,000,000).
>>
>> This leaves a hole in the description. I'm not sure that the glyph for PU
>> is exactly the glyph for 10. Or what is the appropriate sequence:
>> ONE+TENS (1E8C7,1E8D1) or ONE+TEENS (1E8C7,1E8D0) ? The description is
>> ambiguous, and probably both sequences should produce the equivalent glyph.
>> However the letter PU (when meaning number 10) looks more like the glyph
>> produced by ONE+TEN (1E8C7,1E8D1).
>>
>> Then how to represent zero ? Probably by a syllable or word meaning
>> "none" (don't know which it is), or by using European or Arabic digits (as
>> indicated in Chapter 19).
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-06-10 8:15 GMT+02:00 Andrew Cunningham <lang.support at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Ok looking at issue again I guess the other alternative is to have a
>>> discontiguous set of numbers. Represent 10 as U+1E8C7 U+1E8D1 and map it
>>> within the font to the PU glyph.
>>>
>>> And hope that font developers don't create a glyph based on shape of
>>> U+1E8C7 and U+1E8D1, but PU instead.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 10 June 2016, Andrew Cunningham <lang.support at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > Currently I am doing some work on the Mende Kikakui script, and I was
>>> wondering what the best way was to represent the number 10.
>>> > In the early proposals for the script there was a glyph and codepoint
>>> specifically for the number 10. When the model for Mende Kikakui numbers
>>> was changed before the finalising of the code block, the number ten was
>>> removed. But using existing digits and numbers we can produce 1-9 and 11 ->
>>> but we can not produce the number 10 from digits and numbers.
>>> > The number ten uses the same glyph as syllable PU U+1E88E.
>>> > Should I use U+1E88E to represent both the number 10 and the syllable
>>> PU?
>>> > Andrew
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Andrew Cunningham
>>> > lang.support at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Cunningham
>>> lang.support at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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