Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?

Philippe Verdy verdy_p at wanadoo.fr
Wed Mar 2 17:39:16 CST 2016

Both are $ in plain text yes, but they are in textual context. Emojis are
to be used alone and interpreted mostly by themselves. They are also highly
pictographic and represent the actual object in a realistic way.

So a neutral "$" sign in a banknote emoji would not distinguish the (green)
US dollar from the Canadian dollar.

In fact that backnote emoji for the US dollar would typically not use the
"$" currency sign itself (not alone), but would be actual green banknote
(it will probably be encoded by itself, just like the one for the yen), or
as a fallback, a small version of the country flag, or the letters "US"
inside (just like country flag icons).

You can still have a banknote emoji based on the currency sign but it will
only represent that currency sign and not the actual currency unit (except
those currency units whose symbols are strongly tied to the the currency
such the the euro sign, or the symbols for the new shekkel, or the new
ruppiah, not used for other currencies...).

Using variation selectors would not be a solution. In my opinion it would
be best to combine a generic/blank banknote emoji with the other symbol
representing a currency sign or country flag, tied together using the same
technics as those used for emojis representing people or group or people,
i.e. a format control hinting the presence of a ligature.

2016-03-01 19:35 GMT+01:00 Leo Broukhis <leob at mailcom.com>:

> It doesn't have to.
> How does the system distinguish between US and Canada dollar in plain
> text? Both are <$>.
> Leo
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Chris Jacobs <chris.jacobs at xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
>> How would the system distinguish between US and Canada dollar?
>> Both would be <$> + U+FE0F VS16
>> Chris
>> Leo Broukhis schreef op 2016-03-01 19:10:
>> I have a less disruptive proposal than to encode an unprecedented
>> combining emoji.
>> How about adding variation sequences <currency sign> + U+FE0F VS16 to
>> signify BANKNOTE with <currency sign> ?
>> Leo
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:38 AM, "Jörg Knappen" <jknappen at web.de> wrote:
>>> For the pound emoji, throw in ~90M Egyptians.
>>> --Jörg Knappen
>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 09. Februar 2016 um 23:46 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "Leo Broukhis" <leob at mailcom.com>
>>> *An:* "Mark Davis ☕️" <mark at macchiato.com>
>>> *Cc:* "unicode Unicode Discussion" <unicode at unicode.org>
>>> *Betreff:* Re: Enclosing BANKNOTE emoji?
>>> The emojiexpress.com site is useful to check which new emoji or
>>> combinations people actually use, but the stats are likely skewed by only
>>> measuring input from one platform.
>>> Another way to look at the emojitracker.com stats:
>>> 339M people in the Eurozone : 389K uses of Euro emoji
>>> 126M people in Japan : 354K uses of Yen emoji
>>> 140M people in UK + Turkey (likely users of the Pound emoji as a
>>> stand-in for Lira) : 515K uses of pound emoji
>>> The total is 605M people : 1258K uses of non-dollar emoji
>>> Assuming the same average frequency of use, 2933K uses of the dollar
>>> emoji would be produced by 1411M people, out of which us + canada + mexico
>>> + australia   (500M) + other countries using $ as (part of) the sign for
>>> their currency are way less than a half. This means that substantially more
>>> than 500M people are using the dollar emoji by default, instead of emoji of
>>> their national currencies. Assuming a lesser frequency of use will result
>>> in a greater estimate of the affected population.
>>> Leo
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ <mark at macchiato.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Look at http://www.emojixpress.com/stats/. The stats are different,
>>>> since they collect data from keyboards not twitter posts, but they have a
>>>> nice button to view only the news emoji.
>>>> (The numbers on the new ones will be smaller, just because it takes
>>>> time for systems to support them, and people to start using them. However,
>>>> they bear out my predication that the most popular would be the
>>>> eyes-rolling face).
>>>> Mark
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Leo Broukhis <leob at mailcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> A caveat about using emojitracker.com : it doesn't count newer emoji
>>>>> yet (e.g. U+1F37E bottle with popping cork is absent), thus, when they are
>>>>> added, their counts will be skewed.
>>>>> Leo
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:00 AM, Leo Broukhis <leob at mailcom.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you for the links, quite mesmerizing!
>>>>>> On emojitracker.com (cumulative counts, but only on twitter,
>>>>>> AFAICS), U+1F4B5 ($) had quite a respectable count of 2932622 (well above
>>>>>> the middle of the page, around 70%ile), U+1F4B7 (pound) had 514536 (around
>>>>>> 30%ile), and U+1F4B4 and U+1F4B6 had around 353K and 388K resp. (around
>>>>>> 20%ile, but 10x more than the lowest counts, and about the same frequency
>>>>>> as various individual clock faces).
>>>>>> It is quite evident that the dollar banknote emoji serves as a
>>>>>> stand-in for at least half a dozen of various currencies.
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Mark Davis ☕️ <mark at macchiato.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I would suggest that you first gather statistics and present
>>>>>>> statistics on how often the current combinations are used compared to other
>>>>>>> emoji, eg by consulting sources such as:
>>>>>>> http://www.emojixpress.com/stats/
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> http://emojitracker.com/
>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Leo Broukhis <leob at mailcom.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> There are
>>>>>>>> �� U+01F4B4 Banknote With Yen Sign
>>>>>>>> �� U+01F4B5 Banknote With Dollar Sign
>>>>>>>> �� U+01F4B6 Banknote With Euro Sign
>>>>>>>> �� U+01F4B7 Banknote With Pound Sign
>>>>>>>> This is clearly an incomplete set. It makes sense to have a generic
>>>>>>>> "enclosing banknote" emoji character which, when combined with a
>>>>>>>> currency sign, would produce the corresponding banknote, to
>>>>>>>> forestall
>>>>>>>> requests for individual emoji for banknotes with remaining currency
>>>>>>>> signs.
>>>>>>>> Leo
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