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Date/Time: Mon Jun 12 18:55:39 CDT 2017
Name: Eduardo Marin Silva
Report Type: Error Report
Opt Subject: Omission on important glyph info in the Additional repertoire document
I am the original author of the proposal to add a RAISED MR SIGN, in the proposal I mentioned how the glyph can be circled, and the committee ruled that both forms should be unified at 1F16C, however no informative note was added suggesting that the glyph could take this shape, which could potentially confuse implementers into not using it. All I ask is for the next note to be added "Can be both isolated letters and a circled glyph"
Date/Time: Tue Jun 13 08:34:23 CDT 2017
Name: Eduardo Marin Silva
Report Type: Error Report
Opt Subject: Names of the newly encoded symbols for chess notation
Some symbols were encoded specifically for their use in the notation of chess games, however three symbols in my opinion have incorrect names 2BBA INTERLOCKED WHITE SQUARES, 2BBB INTERLOCKED WHITE AND BLACK SQUARES and 2BBC INTERLOCKED BLACK SQUARES. The word interlocked has a very specific meaning, so one would expect from the names that these represent square shaped interlocked rings, but these are two dimensional squares that by definition cannot interlock, the black square couldn't even be said to be a ring but a prism if we are to take them one dimension up, so I propose changing all three instances of the word interlocked with the word "OVERLAPPING".
Date/Time: Wed Jun 14 20:44:42 CDT 2017
Name: David Lasher
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353 — character name typo
There is a minor typo in the name of 1FA08 NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED FORTYFIVE DEGREES FORTY-FIVE should be hyphenated to match the other names in the block.
Date/Time: Fri Jun 16 04:47:00 CDT 2017
Name: Otto Stolz
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: L2/17-189 Additional repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2017 (5th ed.) Amendment 2.0
In both the chart and the character list for Nandinagari, on p. 9–10, the glyphs for U+11BA2–U+11BA5, U+11BA8, U+11BA9, and U+11BAB–U+11BAD are improperly placed (too far to the left).
Date/Time: Sat Jun 17 23:20:49 CDT 2017
Name: Garth Wallace
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: Typo in Chess Symbols block in PDAM Amendment 2
The informative aliases for the WHITE, BLACK, and NEUTRAL TURNED KNIGHT should be "nightrider", not "knightrider".
Date/Time: Sun Jun 18 13:59:46 CDT 2017
Name: Charlotte Buff
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: Typo in Vedic Extensions chart
The informative note for U+1CFA VEDIC SIGN DOUBLE ANUSVARA ANTARGOMUKHA (Vedic Extensions) reads: »used as as a base for a combining nasal sign« The second ‘as’ needs to be removed.
Date/Time: Sun Jul 9 09:02:09 CDT 2017
Name: Charlotte Buff
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: Latin Letters with Spiritus Lenis
It is unclear why the six Latin letters with spiritus lenis in Latin Extended-D are proposed as atomic characters without decomposition mappings. The author of L2/17-076R2 (‘Revised proposal for the encoding of an Egyptological YOD and Ugaritic characters’) states that the rationale for this implementation choice is provided in N3487 (Everson, ‘Proposal to encode Egyptological Yod and similar characters in the UCS’). Said document mentions the following reason for this decision: »Advantage: Avoids problems of font suppliers missing these letters.« This does not constitute a valid reason in my eyes because any general purpose font is unlikely to support these characters because of their very specialized application anyway, regardless of how they are implemented in the end. Both proposals in question claim that neither COMBINING COMMA ABOVE (A̓a̓ I̓i̓ U̓u̓), nor COMBINING RIGHT HALF RING ABOVE (A͗a͗ I͗i͗ U͗u͗), nor COMBINING CYRILLIC PSILI PNEUMATA (A҆a҆ I҆i҆ U҆u҆) are suitable for representing the spiritus lenis, while simultaneously admitting that the psili pneumata is virtually identical to the spiritus lenis and that both could very easily be confused with one another because of that. Unicode does not encode identically looking diacritics just because they have different names or different usages in different contexts, so if the psili pneumata looks just like the spiritus lenis it should also be used as such. If psili pneumata and spiritus lenis truly are separate entities that need to be differentiated at the encoding level, then we get to the circumstance that Unicode also does not encode precomposed letters just because they are easier for font manufacturers to handle than combining character sequences. The six proposed characters are unambiguously just regular Latin letters with diacritics applied. The fact that the spiritus lenis sits slightly to the left on capital letters should also not be a reason for treating these letters as indivisible glyphs; there is precedent for “above” combining marks not being rendered directly on top of the base character, for example with polytonic Greek. Unlike certain overlaid diacritics that are presently not recommended for creating combining character sequences, the placement of the spiritus lenis is always predictable from just the sequence of codepoints. Encoding the six letters as atomic characters strikes me as the worst possible solution because it creates a system wherein it becomes possible to create two pretty much identically looking strings containing characters from just a single script that are nonetheless not canonically equivalent, even if all combining marks were to be removed. If COMBINING CYRILLIC PSILI PNEUMATA really is not suitable as a spiritus lenis because its placement on capital letters is inconsistent, then a new COMBINING SPIRITUS LENIS should be encoded. If this is just a problem caused by faulty fonts and a lack of consent within the user community then this is not something that can or should be solved by additions to the UCS. Creating another “official” option for representing these letters after the previous “official” option was not properly implemented by users won’t magically solve all inconsistencies. If anything, they will only become worse because of this.
Date/Time: Fri Jul 14 17:15:47 CDT 2017
Name: Daniel Werning
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: LATIN LETTER I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS for Egyptological Yod
In a nutshell: Neither the name, nor the exact shape of the proposed „LATIN I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS“ is suitable for the transcription symbol “Egyptological Yod” for contemporary Egyptology. Preliminary remark: Egyptology is in desperate need for a proper Unicode sign for Egyptological Yod. There are currently at least five workarounds in Unicode (U+0069&0313, U+0069&0357, U+0049&0357, U+1EC9, U+0049&0486), but barley any two Egyptological projects use the same encoding, (which will, of course, cause unwanted problems). Comment to his proposal (PRI #353; L2/17-076): The poposed I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS is meant to be used for Egyptological Yod. However, the Egyptological Yod consists of an “i” with the upper part of the EGYPTOLOGICAL ALEF (U+A723) “ꜣ” instead of the dot (this is today interpreted as a hint on that the respective Egyptological symbol represents either a syllabic i (/i̯/) or a glottal stop/Semitic “Alef” (/ʔ/), depending on different scholarly opinions). As to the name: The upper part of the Egyptological Yod is to refer to an Alef, a full consonant ((/ʀ/ > /ʔ/), not to a “spiritus (lenis)”. As to the shape: The (upper part of) the EGYPTOLOGICAL ALEF and of the EGYPTOLOGICAL YOD is subtle but clearly distinguished, also in traditional print, from the Greek “spiritus lenis” (e.g., the still authoritative A.H. Gardiner, Egyptian Grammar, 1957, p. 554; see http://www.gwdg.de/~dwernin/temp/EgyptologicalYod.pdf ). Admittedly the shape is very similar at least in the proposal. However, there is the danger that font designers will not take the upper part of the EGYPTOLOGICAL ALEF as a model for the shape, but the Greek spititus lenis. However, especially due to the (misleading) greco-centric name, it is to be expected that contemporary Egyptology would NOT agree on using the I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS as just another imperfect workaround for a proper Egyptological Yod (for which the community will certainly try to file another proposal soon).
Date/Time: Tue Jul 25 02:35:33 CDT 2017
Name: Stéphane Polis
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: LATIN LETTER I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS for Egyptological Yod
I strongly support Daniel Werning's remarks regarding the "Latin letter with spiritus lenis for Egyptological Yod". While the egyptological community is in desperate need of an encoding solution for the Egyptological yod, the name (spiritus lenis) and the shape (no reference is made to the upper part of the Egyptological Aleph: U+A723) of the proposal are problematic. As such, it might lead to the creation of another approximate workaround instead of a final solution to this longstanding issue.
Date/Time: Tue Jul 25 03:29:49 CDT 2017
Name: Marwan Kilani
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: LATIN LETTER I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS for Egyptological Yod
I agree with Daniel Werning and Stéphane Polis about the LATIN LETTER I WITH SPIRITUS LENIS for Egyptological Yod. I think that the definition “spiritus lenis” is both inaccurate (as neither Egyptologists nor scholars working with Ugaritic transcriptions - the two main communities supporting these characters - use such definition to describe the intended character) and confusing within the unicode system (as it suggests some unjustified conceptual link with the Greek orthography - from which the definition “spiritus lenis” comes from). I also agree that the shape is not accurate: as Daniel Werning pointed out, what is expected is a combination of LATIN LETER I with the upper part of Egyptological aliph, which is indeed different from a standard spiritus lenis. The fact that in some fonts the two diacritics may end up looking similar should not make forget than in other, more accurate fonts they will indeed look different, because in fact they are different and represent different concepts. Finally, I also agree that an inaccurate labelling, and secondarily an imprecise shape, will likely be perceived as an additional workaround for a proper Egyptological Yod. As a result, it is likely that the community will not adopt this character systematically to transcribe the Egyptological Yod. This will likely frustrate the very same reason why this character has been suggested (namely, creating a standard character that can be recognised and used systematically) and will likely result in the community filing new proposal to encode an Egyptological Yod in order to fill what will still be perceived as a gap in the unicode set.
Date/Time: Tue Jul 25 15:07:43 CDT 2017
Name: Marcel Schneider
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: 1F16C RAISED MR SIGN
1F16C RAISED MR SIGN adds to the already existing 1F16A RAISED MC SIGN and 1F16B RAISED MD SIGN under the same subheading, that is erroneous: “Raised squared Latin sequences” ought to be changed to _Raised Latin sequences_, because unlike most of the characters in this block, theyʼre neither squared not otherwise enclosed, nor are they square. Moreover, if blockheads werenʼt subject to stability, “Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement” should be changed to _Preformatted Alphanumeric Supplement_.
Date/Time: Tue Jul 25 15:44:49 CDT 2017
Name: Marcel Schneider
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: Rotated Fairy Chess Symbols *1FA06 sqq.
The rotation of the fairy chess symbols is expressed clockwise, and the number of degrees is plainly spelled out. The proposal doesnʼt provide a rationale of why the rotation is not expressed counterclockwise, as usual if not otherwise specified. It is not obvious why the number of degrees is not written with digits in the character names, since digits are allowed. Plainly spelling out the angle measures makes the names clumsy. Rotations by one-eighth turn are easily measured and expressed in centesimal degrees with multiples of 50. More straightforward and yet often used in the Standard is expressing rotations or—more precisely—orientations with cardinal points. As an example, the name of 1FA45 WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED THREE HUNDRED FIFTEEN DEGREES could become either of the following: • with digits: WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED 315-DEGREES • counterclockwise (standard direction): WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED 45-DEGREES • in centesimal degrees: WHITE CHESS KNIGHT ROTATED 350-GRADES • with cardinal points: WHITE CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-WEST.
Date/Time: Tue Jul 25 17:55:25 CDT 2017
Name: Marcel Schneider
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: PRI #353: Rotated Fairy Chess Symbols *1FA06..1FA47
Due to the spelling-out of the angle measures, the names of the rotated fairy chess symbols are lengthy, and they are ambiguous by not specifying that angles are measured clockwise, not counterclockwise as usual. Given that the pictographs are rotated by eighth-turn steps, the orientation can be expressed by cardinal points, like in many other instances (arrows and so on). Proposed name and subheading changes: Chess symbols oriented north-east 1FA06 WHITE CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-EAST 1FA07 BLACK CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-EAST 1FA08 NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-EAST Chess symbols oriented east 1FA09 WHITE CHESS KING EAST 1FA0A WHITE CHESS QUEEN EAST 1FA0B WHITE CHESS ROOK EAST 1FA0C WHITE CHESS BISHOP EAST 1FA0D WHITE CHESS KNIGHT EAST 1FA0E WHITE CHESS PAWN EAST 1FA0F BLACK CHESS KING EAST 1FA10 BLACK CHESS QUEEN EAST 1FA11 BLACK CHESS ROOK EAST 1FA12 BLACK CHESS BISHOP EAST 1FA13 BLACK CHESS KNIGHT EAST 1FA14 BLACK CHESS PAWN EAST 1FA15 NEUTRAL CHESS KING EAST 1FA16 NEUTRAL CHESS QUEEN EAST 1FA17 NEUTRAL CHESS ROOK EAST 1FA18 NEUTRAL CHESS BISHOP EAST 1FA19 NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT EAST 1FA1A NEUTRAL CHESS PAWN EAST Chess symbols oriented south-east 1FA1B WHITE CHESS KNIGHT SOUTH-EAST 1FA1C BLACK CHESS KNIGHT SOUTH-EAST 1FA1D NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT SOUTH-EAST Turned chess symbols 1FA1E WHITE CHESS TURNED KING 1FA1F WHITE CHESS TURNED QUEEN = white grasshopper 1FA20 WHITE CHESS TURNED ROOK 1FA21 WHITE CHESS TURNED BISHOP 1FA22 WHITE CHESS TURNED KNIGHT = white nightrider # correction of “knightrider” to _nightrider_ following # feedback from proposal coauthor Garth Wallace. 1FA23 WHITE CHESS TURNED PAWN 1FA24 BLACK CHESS TURNED KING 1FA25 BLACK CHESS TURNED QUEEN = black grasshopper 1FA26 BLACK CHESS TURNED ROOK 1FA27 BLACK CHESS TURNED BISHOP 1FA28 BLACK CHESS TURNED KNIGHT = black nightrider 1FA29 BLACK CHESS TURNED PAWN 1FA2A NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED KING 1FA2B NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED QUEEN = neutral grasshopper 1FA2C NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED ROOK 1FA2D NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED BISHOP 1FA2E NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED KNIGHT = neutral nightrider 1FA2F NEUTRAL CHESS TURNED PAWN Chess symbols oriented south-west 1FA30 WHITE CHESS KNIGHT SOUTH-WEST 1FA31 BLACK CHESS KNIGHT SOUTH-WEST 1FA32 NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT SOUTH-WEST Chess symbols oriented west 1FA33 WHITE CHESS KING WEST 1FA34 WHITE CHESS QUEEN WEST 1FA35 WHITE CHESS ROOK WEST 1FA36 WHITE CHESS BISHOP WEST 1FA37 WHITE CHESS KNIGHT WEST 1FA38 WHITE CHESS PAWN WEST 1FA39 BLACK CHESS KING WEST 1FA3A BLACK CHESS QUEEN WEST 1FA3B BLACK CHESS ROOK WEST 1FA3C BLACK CHESS BISHOP WEST 1FA3D BLACK CHESS KNIGHT WEST 1FA3E BLACK CHESS PAWN WEST 1FA3F NEUTRAL CHESS KING WEST 1FA40 NEUTRAL CHESS QUEEN WEST 1FA41 NEUTRAL CHESS ROOK WEST 1FA42 NEUTRAL CHESS BISHOP WEST 1FA43 NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT WEST 1FA44 NEUTRAL CHESS PAWN WEST Chess symbols oriented north-west 1FA45 WHITE CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-WEST 1FA46 BLACK CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-WEST 1FA47 NEUTRAL CHESS KNIGHT NORTH-WEST […] Sideways chess equihoppers 1FA4B WHITE CHESS SIDEWAYS EQUIHOPPER 1FA4C BLACK CHESS SIDEWAYS EQUIHOPPER 1FA4D NEUTRAL CHESS SIDEWAYS EQUIHOPPER # As of the equihopper, as it is symmetric, it can be # unambiguously referred to as sideways when rotated 90°.
Date/Time: Mon Jul 31 13:05:32 CDT 2017
Name: Marcel Schneider
Report Type: Other Question, Problem, or Feedback
Opt Subject: *11BD2 NANDINAGARI SIGN SIDDHAM
Hello, Iʼve just got aware that the Auspicious sign subheading in the new Nandinagari block is not as good as I thought it to be when reviewing for PRI #353. Unfortunately this is now closed, but Iʼll send you this anyway off PRI (leaving it to your convenience whether to add the below, or not). I think that this item could be processed as well at beta review, where it could be sent again. The reason why this seems important to me, is to make aware that the proposers didnʼt aim at doing differently, but can be meant as being aware of the existing usage in the Standard, and seeking consistency as far as feasible. Exhibiting some ability of being original does not make sense to me. Best regards, Marcel ________________________________________________________________ Iʼve just got aware that the Auspicious sign subheading for 11BD2 NANDINAGARI SIGN SIDDHAM could as well be Invocation sign. As the encoding proposal states: “The sign [SIDDHAM] is used as an invocation at the beginning of documents.” For consistency with other instances in the Standard such as U+A8FC, one could actually wish to replace “Auspicious sign” with “Invocation sign” in the future Nandinagari block.