UTC 82/ L2 179 Minutes

L2/00-005R2

Approved Minutes of the UTC 82 / L2 179 Joint Meeting

Cupertino, CA -- January 31 - February 3, 2000
May 2, 2000

Number of members in good standing as of this meeting: 20, Quorum: 10.

PRESENT: Apple Computer, Inc.; Hewlett-Packard Company; Hyperion; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation (by proxy); Oracle, Inc.; Progress Software; Sun Microsystems; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation, Xerox Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Basis Technology; Booz, Allen, Hamilton, Inc.; Compaq Computer; PeopleSoft; RLG; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG

Total members represented: 13, Total not represented: 7

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Unisys Corporation no longer present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

UTC 81/L2 178 Minutes

[82-M1] Motion: Approve the minutes of UTC 81/L2 178 without modification. [L2/99-260]

Moved by V.S. Umamaheswaran, seconded by Rick McGowan
9 for (Apple, HP, Hyperion, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Sybase, Unisys) 0 against, 3 abstain (Justsystem, Sun, Xerox)

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Unisys Corporation now present.

Total members represented: 13; Total not represented: 7

Review of Action Items

[82-AI1] Action Item for John Jenkins: Discuss with Peter Edberg his old action item # 75-18.

WG2 - Korean

[82-M2] Motion: The UTC fully supports WG2 resolution M37.12 which affirms that WG2 cannot support a proposed reordering of Korean Hangul. [L2/00-010]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by V.S. Umamaheswaran
13 for (unanimous)

[82-AI2] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Instruct WG2 liaison to reaffirm M37.12, to accept removing the names of the Korean characters from the standard and determining the names by algorithm.
[82-C1] Consensus: The UTC supports adding a small informative note to Annex D of 10646 to help clarify character names for North Korea.

WG2 - Khmer

For Committee Information: There will probably be a request for a future amendment for a couple of new characters. [L2/00-009]

WG2 - Character/Glyph Model

[82-M3] Motion: The UTC instructs our WG2 liaison that document L2/00-008 as it stands is in conflict with the character/glyph model, and recommends that the author read UTR#17, Character Encoding Model for clarification of terminology. Further discussion is welcomed.
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Mike Ksar

13 for (unanimous)

[82-AI3] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Have Unicode liaison relay the information that OpenType is an example of implementation and is available on the web.
[82-AI4] Action Item for Ed Hart: Get Lisa the appropriate URLs for information on OpenType.

WG2 - Peso/Peseta

For Committee Information: The glyph for U+20A7 PESETA SIGN has been correctly updated to "Pts" in Unicode Version 3.

WG2 - Combining Characters

[82-AI5] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update Where is my Character? with feedback from the meeting.
[82-AI6] Action Item for Mark Davis: Write a separate document addressing normalization and precomposed characters.

WG2 - 10646 Part 2 and JIS X 0213

Straw Poll Acceptance Vote:

3 in favor: Move the 302 ideographic characters to the BMP

4 in favor: Put up to 1792 + 90 Unified Ideographs in the BMP if IRG proposes subset

10 in favor: Do not encode anymore ideographs on BMP, keep in Extension B

7 in favor: Ask UTC members to ask MITI to specify 10646 in IT Master Plan

4 in favor: I would like to ask my company first

4 in favor: Specifically ask the IRG to approve moving 302 JIS and 1088 HK and 168 Korean Unified Ideographs into the BMP

WG20 - Collation

[82-AI7] Action Item for Mark Davis and Ken Whistler: Update Collation UTR and collation data tables.

Unicode Standard Publication

[82-M3a] Motion: The UTC thanks the editorial committee for their hard work on Unicode Version 3.
By Acclamation

[82-AI8] Action Item for Asmus Freytag and Ken Whistler: List all characters that the UTC has approved post Version 3, prepare WG2 proposals, and proceed with amendments to 10646-1.

February 1, 2000

NOT PRESENT: Basis Technology; Booz, Allen, Hamilton, Inc.; Compaq Computer; PeopleSoft; RLG; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG

Total members represented: 13, Total not represented: 7

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Hyperion not present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

Math Symbols

[82-M4] Motion

change "/ MVT" to "|" (U+20D2 COMBINING LONG VERTICAL LINE OVERLAY)
delete Ax01 and Ax2A.

Directly encoding the 24 characters is an acceptable fallback.

Moved by Asmus Freytag, seconded by Murray Sargent

7 for (HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Progress, Sybase, Unisys), 2 against (Apple, Xerox), 3 abstain (Oracle, Justsystem, Sun)

[82-AI9] Action Item for Barbara Beeton, Murray Sargent, and Ken Whistler: Update Math Symbols paper to use a similar semantic when applying the VARIANT SELECTOR, change "/ VS" into "U+20D2 COMBINING LONG VERTICAL LINE OVERLAY", and supply a glyph for Ax2B. Further describe that the VARIANT SELECTOR is used in cases where the difference is usually ignorable.

[82-AI10] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the Unicode web site Pending page with the characters from the Math Symbols Proposal.

Katakana Middle Dot

For Committee Information:The Katakana Middle Dot is currently classified in the hyphen group which is causing problems with identifiers. There will be a proposal at a later time.

IRG Report

[82-M5] Motion:

Moved by John Jenkins, seconded by Tatsuo Kobayashi

11 for (Apple, HP, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Sun, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox), 0 against, 1 abstain (IBM)

Compatibility Characters

[82-M6] Motion:[82-M7] In view of the known set of CNS-11643 compatibility ideographs, the UTC recommends that WG2 update the roadmap to include space for ideographic compatibility characters in Plane 2. [L2/00-032]
Moved by John Jenkins, seconded by V.S. Umamaheswaran
10 for (Apple, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Sybase, Unisys), 0 against, 2 abstain (Xerox, Sun)

[82-M7] Motion: The UTC requests WG2 to instruct the IRG to prepare a collection of compatibility ideographs from CNS 11643-1992, HKSCS, GCCS, and EAAC.
Moved by John Jenkins, seconded by Mike Ksar

12 for (unanimous)

[82-M8] Motion: The UTC requests that WG2 instruct the IRG to prepare a list of candidate unifications across all compatibility ideographs.
Moved by John Jenkins, seconded by Mike Ksar
11 for (Apple, HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Sun, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox), 1 against (Justsystem), 0 abstain

JIS X 0213

[82-AI11] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Respond to Shibano-san that character double asterisk no longer needs an explanation (part of Math Symbols repertoire), and that we do not agree with the usage of "AINU" in character names.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Sun Microsystems, Hewlett-Packard Company not present.

Total members represented: 10; Total not represented: 10

UTF-32

[82-M9] Motion: Advance Draft Unicode Technical Report #19, UTF-32 to Unicode Technical Report #19, UTF-32. [UTC/2000-001]
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Joe Becker
9 for (Apple, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Progress, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox), 0 against, 1 abstain (Oracle)
[82-AI12] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update UTR#19 to remove "Draft" from the title.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Hewlett-Packard Company now present.

Total members represented: 11; Total not represented: 9

Unicode Character Mapping Tables

[82-M10] Motion: Advance Proposed Draft Unicode Technical Report #22, Character Mapping Tables to Draft Unicode Technical Report #22, Character Mapping Tables after incorporating feedback received during the meeting. [UTC/2000-003, UTC/2000-010]
Moved by Tex Texin, seconded by Rick McGowan
10 for, 0 against, 1 abstain ( )
[82-AI13] Action Item for Mark Davis: Incorporate feedback received during the meeting, change the title to prepend "Unicode" and advance to draft.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Justsystem not present.

Total members represented: 10; Total not represented: 10

Math Symbols

[82-M11] Motion:Add the function application and invisible times to the math symbols repertoire of L2/00-002 at U+2062 and U+2063.
Moved by Asmus Freytag, seconded by Mark Davis
8 for (HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Unisys, Xerox), 0 against, 2 abstain (Apple, Sybase)
[82-AI14] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the Unicode web site Pending page with the function application and invisible times.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Sun Microsystems, Justsystem now present.

Total members represented: 12; Total not represented: 8

Western Music Symbols

Failed Motion: Include in our comments to WG2 on 10646 Part 2 that we would like to remove D12D, D12E, D135 if possible.
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Asmus Freytag
1 for (Xerox), 5 against (Apple, HP, Microsoft, Sybase, Unisys), 6 abstain Motion failed

10646 Part 2 General Comments

Failed Motion: Include in our comments to WG2 on 10646 Part 2 to remove Annex C.
          Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Asmus Freytag
          4 for (Unisys, Apple, Microsoft, Sybase), 0 against, 8 abstain (HP, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Xerox, Sun, Justsystem, IBM) Motion failed
Failed Motion: Add to the comments to WG2 on 10646 Part 2 a request that they clarify the combining status of Byzantine Music Symbols.
          Moved by Rick McGowan, seconded by Jianping Yang
          2 for (Apple, Oracle), 4 against (HP, Unisys, Sybase, IBM), 6 abstain (Microsoft, NCR, Progress, Xerox, Sun, Justsystem) Motion failed

February 2, 2000

PRESENT: Apple Computer, Inc.; Hewlett-Packard Company; IBM Corporation; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation (by proxy); Oracle, Inc.; Progress Software; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation, Xerox Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Basis Technology; Booz, Allen, Hamilton, Inc.; Compaq Computer; Hyperion; Justsystem; PeopleSoft; Reuters LTD.; RLG; SAP AG; Sun Microsystems

Total members represented: 10, Total not represented: 10

10646 Part 1 - Second Edition

[82-AI15] Action Item for Arnold Winkler: Investigate how ANSI will make 10646-1 Second Edition available on the web.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: RLG now present.

Total members represented: 11; Total not represented: 9

Math Symbols

[82-M12] Motion: Approve the allocation given in L2/00-033 for the Math Symbol Repertoire with the modifications made in discussion of of the name and location of the U+2062 VARIATION SELECTOR.
Moved by Asmus Freytag, seconded by Murray Sargent
9 for (HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox), 1 against (Apple), 1 abstain (RLG)
[82-AI16] Action Item for Murray Sargent: Investigate if one of the symbols represents nan.
[82-AI17] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Work with Barbara Beeton and other members of the math community to update the allocation document and to inform them of the change in the name of the math variant tag.
[82-AI18] Action Item for Ken Whistler and Murray Sargent: Prepare the WG2 proposal document, for Beijing, if possible.

East Asian Width

[82-M13] Motion:The UTC accepts a revision of Unicode Technical Report #11, East Asian Width with suggested modifications from the meeting. All updates have no effect on character properties. [UTC/2000-012]
Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Rick McGowan
10 for (Apple, HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, RLG, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox), 0 against, 1 abstain (Progress)
[82-AI19] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Update Unicode Technical Report #11, East Asian Width and change the revision level to 6.0.

Case Mapping

[82-AI20] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update the definition of case given in Unicode Technical Report #21, Case Mappings to include all characters that have case mappings.
[82-AI21] Action Item for Ken Whistler and Asmus Freytag: Create a proposed draft Unicode Technical Report for a Unicode Property Model.

Use of Unicode in Markup Languages

[82-AI22] Action Itemfor Asmus Freytag and Mark Davis: Discuss Proposed Draft Unicode Technical Report #20, The Use of Unicode in Markup Languages to determine the next step to be taken in order to advance the TR.

Data Files and Properties

[82-M14] Motion: The UTC accepts the change to linking and shaping classes of Hamzat Wasl on Alef as given in UTC/2000-013.
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Mike Ksar
11 for (unanimous)
[82-C2] Consensus: Make property updates available as an on-line beta.

Limiting 10646 to x10FFFF

[82-M15] Motion: Send a contribution to WG2 requesting that WG2 remove the private use groups 60 - 7F and private use planes 00E0 0000..00FF FFFF for the goal of achieving synchrony with the Unicode Standard. [UTC/2000-006]
Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Mike Ksar
11 for (unanimous)

Math Alphabets in 10646-2

Failed Motion: Include in our comments to WG2 a request to remove the Math Alphabets from Part 2.
Moved by Rick McGowan, seconded by Joe Becker
2 for (Apple, RLG), 5 against (IBM, NCR, Microsoft, Sybase, Unisys), 4 abstain (HP, Oracle, Progress, Xerox) Motion failed

Final Vote on 10646-2

[82-M16] Motion: Vote Yes on the 10646 Part 2 CD and include technical comments on the IRG Report and composition properties of Western Music Symbols, plus additional editorial comments received during the meeting. [L2/99-366]
Moved by Mike Ksar, seconded by Arnold Winkler
10 for (HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Progress, RLG, Sybase, Unisys, Xerox), 1 against (Apple), 0 abstain

Unicode Submission Form

[82-AI23] Action Item for Mark Davis: Based on feedback received during the meeting, update the proposed Unicode character and script submission form.

February 3, 2000

PRESENT: Apple Computer, Inc.; Hewlett-Packard Company; IBM Corporation; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation (by proxy); Oracle, Inc.; Progress Software; RLG, Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation

NOT PRESENT: Basis Technology; Booz, Allen, Hamilton, Inc.; Compaq Computer; Hyperion; Justsystem; PeopleSoft; Reuters LTD.; SAP AG; Sun Microsystems; Xerox Corporation

Total members represented: 10, Total not represented: 10

TC304

[82-AI24] Action Item for V.S. Umamaheswaran and Mike Ksar: Monitor activities of TC304.

Liaison Reports

[82-AI25] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Add liaison status reports as a standing agenda item.

Canonical XML

[82-AI26] Action Item for Mark Davis: Remind everyone of the deadline for comments to Canonical XML on the Unicore mailing list.

UTC Procedures

[82-AI27] Action Item for Officers: Update UTC Procedures and distribute to the membership before the next UTC.

Private Use Characters

[82-AI28] Action Item for Michel Suignard: Based on feedback received during the meeting, update the proposal for Private Use Characters.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: RLG now represented by proxy.

Total members represented: 10; Total not represented: 10

Ligation Control

[82-M17] Motion:

Full control of ligatures in scripts such as Latin is best left to higher level protocols.
In normal operation these characters produce their effect due to their presence in context.
No change to Indic. [L2/00-012, L2/00-023, L2/00-025, L2/00-026, L2/00-031]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Asmus Freytag

6 for (Apple, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Sybase), 0 against, 4 abstain (HP, RLG, Progress, Unisys)

[82-AI29] Action Item for Mark Davis:

Prepare the text for a corrigendum to the Unicode Standard for the use of ZWJ and ZWNJ to be submitted at the next UTC.

[82-M18] Motion: The UTC has formally evaluated ZWL and ZWNL, and in the light of motion 82-M17, has determined that there is no need to add these characters.

Moved by Asmus Freytag, seconded by Rick McGowan

6 for (Apple, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Sybase), 0 against, 4 abstain (HP, RLG, Progress, Unisys)

[82-AI30] Action Item for Mark Davis: Relay to Michael Everson our discussion and decisions on ZWL/ZWNL.

SCSU Signature

[82-M19] Motion: The UTC accepts the proposed signature byte sequence, 0E FE FF, for SCSU as given in UTC/2000-009, and also accepts the proposed text changes to Unicode Technical Report #6, Standard Compression Scheme for Unicode with appropriate editorial changes.

Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Mark Davis

7 for (Apple, HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Sybase, Unisys), 2 against (Oracle, Progress), 1 abstain (RLG)

[82-AI31] Action Item for Asmus Freytag:

Update Unicode Technical Report #6, Standard Compression Scheme for Unicode with the results of motion 82-M19.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: RLG now present.

Total members represented: 10; Total not represented: 10

Guidelines for Changes to the Standard

[82-AI32] Action Item for Ed Hart: Create UTC guidelines for changes other than character additions.

Standard name for Planes 0 to 16

[82-C2] Consensus: The UTC would prefer for 10646 to use the name Unicode, and range Planes 0..16 to identify Planes 0 to 16.
[82-AI33] Action Item for Michel Suignard: Include the UTC preference for the10646 name Unicode and range Planes 0..16 with the other committee comments on 10646.

Character Properties

[82-AI34] Action Item for Mark Davis: Look at where we need to make the handling of control code properties more clear in the Unicode Standard.
[82-AI35] Action Item for Ken Whistler: To provide guidance to implemeters on the handling of properties of unassigned characters, post a file describing property assumptions for the various ranges of unassigned characters.

Zero Width Grapheme Break/Join

[82AI6] Action Item for Arnold Winkler: As the zero width grapheme break/join proposal was withdrawn, re-open Action Item 81-12 (for Mark Davis to prepare a proposal for WG2 for the Zero Width Word Joiner.)

Attendees:	Representing:
Joan Aliprand	RLG
Yasuhiro Anan	Microsoft
Joe Becker	Xerox
Peter Constable	SIL
Mark Davis	IBM
Yoshi Enomoto	IBM
Asmus Freytag	Asmus, Inc.
Ed Hart	Share
Hideki Hiura	Sun
Lloyd Honomichl	Int'l.com
Patrick Ion	MR/AMS
John Jenkins	Apple
Tatsuo Kobayashi	Justsystem
Mike Ksar	HP
Albert Maghbouleh	NCR
Kamal Mansour	Agfa Monotype
Rick McGowan	Apple
Lisa Moore	IBM
Tetsuji Orita	IBM
Murray Sargent	Microsoft
Markus Scherer	IBM
Neil Soiffer	Wolfram Research
Michel Suignard	Microsoft
Tex Texin	Progress
V.S. Umamaheswaran	IBM
Hugh Wallis	Hyperion
Ken Whistler	Sybase
Arnold Winkler	Unisys
Jianping Yang	Oracle