L2/00-324

Approved Minutes of the UTC 85 / L2 182 Joint Meeting

San Diego, CA -- November 7-10, 2000
January 29, 2001

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Number of members in good standing as of this meeting: 19, number of members in regular attendance: 16, Quorum: 8.

PRESENT: Apple Computer (by proxy); Basis Technology; Compaq Computer; Government of India, MIT; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Oracle, Inc. (by proxy); Peoplesoft; Progress Software;  Sun Microsystems; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Hewlett-Packard Company; RLG.

Total members represented: 14, Total not represented: 2

Calendar Updates

UTC 86/L2 183 - January 29 - February 1, 2001, Mountain View, host Microsoft
UTC 87/L2 184 - May 21- 24, 2001, Pleasanton, host Peoplesoft
UTC 88/L2 185 - August 7-10, 2001, Seattle, host Microsoft
UTC 89/L2 186 - November 6-9, 2001, Baltimore, host Share (possibly Boston/Compaq)
Calendar details posted at www.unicode.org/unicode/timesens/calendar.html

Action Item Review

[85-A1] Action Item for Mark Davis and Kamal Mansour: Write a proposal for Arabic combining characters.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: HP now present by proxy.

Total members represented: 15; Total not represented: 1

Language Identifiers

[85-M1] Motion: The UTC supports a revision of the IETF internet draft 1766 (language tags) to enable the registration of qualified namespace authorities for language tags. [L2/00-393]

Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Rick McGowan

15 for (unanimous) 

[85-M2] Motion: The UTC supports SIL, when qualified, as a namespace authority to enable standard reference to ethnologue language codes. A qualified namespace authority must agree to maintaining the catalogs with proper versioning and must not change or delete codes once introduced. [L2/00-393]

Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Rick McGowan

8 for (Apple, HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
4 against (Compaq, MIT India, Oracle, Progress)
3 abstain (Basis, Justsystem, Peoplesoft)

[85-A2] Action Item for Sandra Martin O'Donnell: Working with Peter Constable and Rick McGowan, further refine the requirements for qualified namespace authorities.

[85-A3] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Coordinate with Peter Constable to provide feedback to IETF.

Character Mapping Tables

[85-M3] Motion: Advance Draft UTR#22: Character Mapping Tables to UTR#22: Unicode Character Mapping Markup Language (CharMap ML) after changing the title and incorporating comments received in the discussion . [L2/00-402]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Asmus Freytag

12 for (Basis, Compaq, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, MIT India, NCR, Oracle, Peoplesoft, Progress, Sun, )
2 against (Apple, Sybase)
1 abstain (Unisys)

[85-A4] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update UTR#22: Unicode Character Mapping Markup Language (CharMap ML). [L2/00-402]

Case Mappings

[85-M4] Motion: Modify UTR#21: Case Mappings, making the changes given in L2/00-390 as amended in discussion, move the special casing description from the file to the TR and clarify case folding. [L2/00-390, 395, 396]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Asmus Freytag

13 for (Basis, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, MIT India, NCR, Oracle, Peoplesoft, Progress, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
2 abstain (Apple, Compaq)

[85-A5] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update UTR#21: Case Mappings. [L2/00-390, 395, 396]

Script Names

[85-M5] Motion: Modify Draft UTR#24: Script Names, making the changes given in L2/00-379 as well as including comments received during discussion. [L2/00-368R, 379]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Sandra Martin O'Donnell

15 for (unanimous)

[85-A6] Action Item for Mark Davis: Update Draft UTR#21: Script Names. [L2/00-368R, 379]

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November 8, 2000

PRESENT: Apple Computer (by proxy); Compaq Computer; Hewlett-Packard Company (by proxy); IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Peoplesoft; Sun Microsystems; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Basis Technology; Government of India, MIT; Oracle, Inc.; Progress Software; RLG.

Total members represented: 11, Total not represented: 5

UTC 84/L2 181 Minutes

[85-M5] Motion: Approve the minutes of UTC 84/L2 181 as documented in L2/00-187R.

Moved by Sandra Martin O'Donnell, seconded by Mike Ksar

9 for (Compaq, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Peoplesoft, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
2 abstain (Apple, Sun) 

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Government of India, MIT; Progress, Oracle (by proxy) now present.

Total members represented: 14; Total not represented: 2

Arabic Additions

[85-M6] Motion: Accept the addition of ARABIC LETTER DOTLESS BEH at 066E and ARABIC LETTER DOTLESS QAF at 066F. [L2/00-354]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Ken Whistler

12 for (Apple, Compaq, Government of India, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Peoplesoft, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
2 abstain (Progress, Oracle) 

[85-A7] Action Item for Kamal Mansour: Prepare a proposal summary form for ARABIC LETTER DOTLESS BEH and ARABIC LETTER DOTLESS QAF and forward to WG2. [L2/00-354]

[85-A8] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the web site pipeline document for ARABIC LETTER DOTLESS BEH and ARABIC LETTER DOTLESS QAF. [L2/00-354]

WG2

Mike Ksar is the official Liaison from SC2 to Unicode.

There will be an editorial corrigenda to 10646-1 to align with Unicode 3.0.1. [L2/00-360]

10646-2, FCD, approved unanimously.

10646-1:2000 published 9/15/00.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Basis now present.

Total members represented: 15; Total not represented: 1

[85-A9] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Put a link on the Unicode web site to the roadmap.

[85-A10] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Change Unique Sequence Identifier to Unicode Sequence Identifier. [l2/00-369]

[85-M7] Motion: Approve changing the Unicode Standard to align with changes to Part 1 which resulted from the WG2 meeting in Athens. These changes are documented in L2/00-369, sections 2.b-h, j, k, m, and address medieval superscript letters, miscellaneous Greek symbols, Komi Cyrillic, word joiner, German penny sign, return symbol, and katakana double hyphen, circled numbers, Philippine scripts, and Unicode sequence identifier.


Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Asmus Freytag

14 for (Basis, Compaq, Government of India, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Peoplesoft, Progress, Oracle, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
1 abstain (Apple) 


[85-A11] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the web site pipeline document to reflect the changes to Part 1 from the Athens WG2 meeting, as agreed to in motion [85-M7]. [L2/00-369]

[85-A12] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Draft two documents in response to JIS X 0213 compatibility characters: 1) our counter proposal to Sato-san's document L2/00-378 and 2) a document that maps JIS X 0213 compatibility characters to the CJK radical extension. Distribute these documents with a liaison statement to WG2 and ask Kimura-san to distribute to SC2.

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

NOT PRESENT: Peoplesoft no longer present.

Total members represented: 14; Total not represented: 2

[85-M8] Motion: Accept the eight recycling characters as documented in L2/00-369, section 2.l at locations U+2672..U+2679.

Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Asmus Freytag

9 for (Basis, Compaq, HP, IBM, Microsoft, NCR, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
1 against (Progress)
4 abstain (Apple, Government of India, Justsystem, Oracle) 


[85-A13] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the web site pipeline document to reflect the acceptance of the eight recycling characters.

Single Unix Specification

[85-A14] Action Item for Sandra Martin O'Donnell: Draft FAQ material to respond to Unicode and internationalization concerns that have come up on the SUS discussion list. [L2/00-382]

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November 9, 2000

PRESENT: Apple Computer (by proxy); Basis Technology; Compaq Computer; IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Oracle, Inc. (by proxy); Peoplesoft; Progress Software; Sun Microsystems; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Government of India, MIT; Hewlett-Packard Company; RLG.

Total members represented: 13, Total not represented: 3

WG20

WG20 has the goal to make the "tolower" table of TR 14652 match that give in Unidata. Comments for this are due February, 2001.

[85-A15] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Send notes on Unicore soliciting comments on 15897, 15435 and 14652. [L2/00-381, 383, 385, 386]

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: HP now present by proxy.

Total members represented: 15; Total not represented: 1

UTF-32

[85-M9] Motion: Make UTR#19: UTF-32 a Unicode Standard Annex in Unicode 3.1.

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Mike Ksar

12 for (Basis, Compaq, Government of India, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Peoplesoft, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
3 abstain (Apple, Oracle, Progress) 
[85-C1] Consensus: The Editorial Committee is directed to prepare text for incorporation into the Standard for V3.1 that clarifies the character encoding model and the relationship of the UTF-32 transformation to scalar values.

[85-A16] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Update the text of the Unicode Standard to reflect 85-C1.

Unicode V3.1 and V3.2

Unicode V3.1 will be published as a Technical Report which will contain an introduction, architectural changes, UTC decisions, errata, and updated block introductions, will be approved at the next UTC and will be in sync with ISO/IEC 10646 Part 2. Unicode V3.2 will be published in the late Fall of 2001 to be in sync with Amendment 1 of ISO/IEC 10646 Part 1, and will be published after the  September 2001 WG2 meeting. Unicode V4 is forecast to be in the 2003 time frame.

Revisions to Proplist.txt

[85-C2] Consensus: Change the range notation in the Proplist file to two dots, and make derived files separate files.

[85-M10] Motion: Adopt a new version of Proplist.txt as described in L2/00-387 as amended in discussion with an additional change to Blocks.txt to use the same range notation. Proplist.txt is now considered to be a part of the Unicode Character Database.


Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Sandra Martin O'Donnell

14 for (Basis, Compaq, Government of India, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Peoplesoft, Progress, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
1 abstain (Apple) 

Normative Status of Character Data Properties

[85-M11] Motion: The UTC accepts making all of the General Category property and Case Mappings in Unicode Data and Special Casings Normative. [L2/00-392]

Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Mark Davis,

12 for
0 against
3 abstain 

[85-A17] Action Item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Incorporate into V3.1 changes to explanatory text for datafiles regarding changes to the General Category property and Case Mappings. [L2/00-392]

[85-A18] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Post updated datafiles for public review. [L2/00-392]

New Glossary Entries

[85-A19] Action Item for Editorial Committee: Incorporate into V3.1 the new glossary entries as documented in L2/00-391 and modified during discussion.

Security Issues with UTF-8

[85-M12] Motion: Take document L2/00-414, with new wording for the Chapter 3 discussion of UTF-8, as amended during the UTC and remand to the editorial committee for producing a final version and posting on the web as a corrigendum to the Unicode Standard. A draft version will be sent to Unicore for comments before posting.

Moved by Ken Whistler, seconded by Mark Davis

12 for (Basis, Compaq, Government of India, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, Peoplesoft, Progress, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
2 against (Apple, NCR)
1 abstain (Oracle) 

[85-A20] Action Item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Use the amended document L2/00-414 to create modified text for Chapter 3 to address security issues in UTF-8.

Grapheme Joiner

[85-M13] Motion: The UTC approves a change in the encoding position of the grapheme joiner character to U+034F. [L2/00-369]

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Ken Whistler

14 for (Basis, Compaq, Government of India, HP, IBM, Justsystem, Microsoft, NCR, Oracle, Peoplesoft, Progress, Sun, Sybase, Unisys)
0 against
1 abstain (Apple) 

[85-A21] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline document to show the grapheme joiner with an encoding position of U+034F.

[85-A22] Action Item for Mark Davis, Ken Whistler: Work with Michael Everson to produce a new proposal for the grapheme joiner for WG2. [L2/00-369]

GB 18030

The UTC will pursue having GB 18030 mapping tables available to Unicode implementers.

[85-A23] Action Item for Cathy Wissink: Send a line for the translated summary of  GB 18030 to Arnold Winkler.

[85-A24] Action Item for Cathy Wissink: Send text on GB 18030 to Arnold Winkler so that he can forward to ITI on behalf of our US companies.

[85-A25] Action Item for Mark Davis: Send a link to Arnold Winkler that points to an explanation of GB 18030 mappings with a list of the known problems.

Format and Data Files

[85-A26] Action Item for Editorial Committee: Add a standard reference section at the end of all technical reports. Also, collect all references in the new section.

FDIS 8601, Dates and Times

[85-A27] Action Item for Mark Davis: Write a response on FDIS 8601 to be reviewed by the Editorial Committee and forwarded through WG20. [L2/00-389]

Georgian

[85-A28] Action Item for Michael Kaplan: Write a document which describes how the current Unicode encoding of Georgian can be used to represent the three Georgian scripts. [L2/00-404]

[85-A29] Action Item for Editorial Committee: Make sure that Unicode V3.1 adequately describes how the current Unicode encoding of Georgian can be used to represent the three Georgian scripts. [L2/00-404]

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November 10, 2000

PRESENT: Apple Computer (by proxy); Basis Technology; Hewlett-Packard Company (by proxy); IBM Corporation; Justsystem; Microsoft Corporation; NCR Corporation; Oracle, Inc. (by proxy); Peoplesoft; Progress Software; Sun Microsystems; Sybase, Inc.; Unisys Corporation.

NOT PRESENT: Compaq Computer; Government of India, MIT; RLG.

Total members represented: 13, Total not represented: 3

Cultural and Linguistic Accessibility (CLAUI)

[85-A30] Action Item for Arnold Winkler: Watch the SC35 list for anything regarding CLAUI compliance checking and forward to UTC members. [L2/00-321, 384]

UTC Membership Roll Call Adjustment

PRESENT: Government of India, MIT now present.

Total members represented: 14; Total not represented: 2

WG2

[85-C3] Consensus: Annex C of 10646 Part 2 must be stable for publication.  Any mappings agreed to in Athens must stay the same. The UTC would agree to DPRK additions to Annex C only if there is a clear consensus in the IRG that there are no technical problems associated with the DPRK source mappings. Additions for DPRK source mappings would require complete information to be given to the editor to complete clause 7 (supplementary ideographic plane) and Annex C by the end of the meeting. [L2/00-350, 356]

[85-C4] Consensus: The UTC is concerned about the quality of fonts in the FDIS and would like to see better quality fonts used. The IRG editors group should check the fonts again.  The UTC is willing to participate in this effort. [L2/00-350, 356]

[85-A31] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Determine who will be the UTC liaison to IRG.

[85-M14] Motion: To align with changes to Part 2 which resulted from the WG2 Athens meeting, the UTC reaffirms the character encoding position and name changes as detailed in L2/00-369, sections 1 b-g.

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Ken Whistler

14 for (unanimous)

[85-A32] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline document to show the changes needed to maintain alignment with Part 2 of WG2. [L2/00-369]

[85-C5] Consensus: The UTC confirms that if a National Body requests the use of a specific font for printing certain code charts, then they must provide it.

Indic Scripts

[85-A33] Action Item for Michael Kaplan, Editorial Committee: Update the Tamil block description to note that item 5, page 232 is archaic practice. [L2/00-400]

[85-A34] Action Item for Michael Kaplan: Encourage the Tamil group to have liaison activities with the UTC. [L2/00-405]

[85-A35] Action Item for Lisa Moore: Invite Tamil Nadu to come to the UTC.

[85-C6] Consensus: The UTC welcomes proposals for characters missing from its repertoire of Indic scripts, any clarifications of character and script descriptions, and information on characters that are not used or should be deprecated. [L2/00-399, 417]

[85-A36] Action Item for Om Vikas: Pursue organizing an ad hoc work group of Indic experts and UTC experts for educational purposes.

[85-A37] Action Item for Michael Kaplan: Provide text on visual ordering of input for Indic script block introductions.

[85-A38] Action Item for Om Vikas: Provide text for Indic script block introductions, particularly including information on syllable formation.

Character Property Model

[85-A39] Action Item for Murray Sargent, Cathy Wissink: Provide input to Asmus Freytag on the description of processes that make use of Unicode character properties. [L2/00-401]

[85-A40] Action Item for Asmus Freytag: Solicit further input from Unicore on Proposed Draft Technical Report #23, Character Property Model, and update based on input received during the UTC and from Unicore, including a change in title to Proposed Draft Technical Report #23, Survey and Guidelines for Unicode Character Properties. [L2/00-401]

[85-A41] Action Item for Ken Whistler: Note in the datafiles the new property defined for ZWSP - collapsible white space.

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Attendees:	Representing:
Barbara Beeton	AMS
Mark Davis	IBM
Andrew Eisenberg	Prorgress
John Fiscella	Production First Software
Asmus Freytag	Basis
Donald Figge	Xerox
Ed Hart	Share
Hideki Hiura	Sun/L:18nux
Michael Kaplan	Trigeminal
Tatsuo Kobayashi	Justsystem
Mike Ksar	HP (proxy)/Uniscape
Hirobumi Kurosu	PeopleSoft
Kamal Mansour	Agfa Monotype
Sandra Martin O'Donnell	Compaq
Lisa Moore	IBM
Gary Roberts	NCR
Murray Sargent	Microsoft
Michel Suignard	Microsoft
Tex Texin	Progress
Om Vikas	MIT, Gov't of India
Ken Whistler	Sybase
Cathy Wissink	Microsoft
Arnold Winkler	Unisys