L2/13-200

Draft Minutes of UTC Meeting 137
Cupertino, CA -- Nov 4 - 7, 2013
Hosted by Apple
UTC #137 Agenda
Revision date: November 25, 2013

Monday, November 4, 2013

Meeting opened at 10:30 a.m.

Quorum is 5. Members present: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, MS, UCB, SAP, Yahoo, Oman
8 full members represented, 1 institutional
Student member present: Stephan Stiller

A.5.1.1 L2/13-132R

[137-C1] Consensus: Approve the minutes of meeting #136, L2/13-132R.

A.6 Added meeting Oct 27-30, 2014. Apple to host UTC #141, possibly in Sunnyvale.

A.5.2.1 Review of open action items [L2/SD2]
A.5.2.2 Recently closed action items [L2/13-201]

Oral review of actions.

C.4.1 Precomposed Tilde Letters [Bodor, L2/13-181]

[137-A1] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to the author of L2/13-181 that UTC declines to encode these; they are already representable in the standard.

C.4.2 Proposal to encode Latin letters for the transliteration of Indic vocalic letters [Pandey, L2/13-204]

[137-A2] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to the author of L2/13-204 that UTC declines to encode these; they are already representable in the standard.

C.4.2.1 Ganesan L2/13-213

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

C.6.1 Proposal for the addition of Cherokee characters (WG2 N4487) [Everson, Feeling, L2/13-190]

Michael Everson joined on the phone.
Craig Cornelius (Google) in the room.
On the phone: Roy Boney, Jeff Edwards, Candessa Teehee, Durbin Feeling

Long discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

C.7 Preliminary proposal to encode the Adlam script (WG2 N4488) [Everson, L2/13-191]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

C.8 Request to add one Cuneiform character [Everson, L2/13-196]

[137-C2] Consensus: Accept U+12399 CUNEIFORM SIGN U U for encoding in a future version of the standard.

[137-A3] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include U+12399 CUNEIFORM SIGN U U.

[137-A4] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add U+12399 CUNEIFORM SIGN U U to ballot comments on 4th edition.

C.10 Code table and names list for encoding Nüshu (WG2 N4472R, revised) [Everson, L2/13-160R]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

C.9 Proposal to Encode a Slavonic Punctuation Mark (revised) [Andreev, et al, L2/13-140R]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

D.5 Final proposal to encode the Marchen script in the SMP [West, L2/13-197]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

[137-A5] Action item for Lisa Moore: Put L2/13-197 Marchen on the agenda for February 2014 UTC meeting.

Meeting adjourned at 5:30 pm.

Tuesday, November 5, 2013

C.6.1 Proposal for the addition of Cherokee characters (WG2 N4487) [Everson, Feeling, L2/13-190]

[137-C3] Consensus: Change the boundaries of the Latin Extended-E block to end at U+AB6F.

[137-A6] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update Blocks.txt and Nameslist.txt for Unicode 7.0 to change the boundaries of the Latin Extended-E block to end at U+AB6F.

[137-A7] Action item for Ken Whistler: Have the Roadmap Committee update the block boundary for Latin Extended-E in the roadmap to end at U+AB6F.

[137-A8] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Create a ballot comment for 4th edition 10646.

[137-A9] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline for change to Latin Extended-E block, to end at U+AB6F.

[137-C4] Consensus: UTC would prefer a roadmap allocation for a Cherokee supplement at U+AB70..U+ABBF instead of the SMP.

[137-A10] Action item for Ken Whistler: Work with Roadmap Committee to change the allocation for Cherokee supplement to U+AB70..U+ABBF instead of the SMP.

D.4 Revised proposal to encode the Bhaiksuki script (WG2 N4489) [Pandey, Dimitrov, L2/13-194]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

D.7 Revised Proposal to Encode the Mongolian Square Script [Pandey, L2/13-198]

[137-C5] Consensus: Accept 67 Mongolian Square Script characters U+11A00 - U+11A52 with block Mongolian Square at U+11A00 - U+11A5F, with properties as documented in L2/13-198, for encoding in a future version of the standard.

[137-A11] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add Mongolian Square Script characters U+11A00 - U+11A52 to document requesting future additions.

[137-A12] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include 67 Mongolian Square Script characters U+11A00 - U+11A52 with block Mongolian Square at U+11A00 - U+11A5F

[137-A13] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Request Anshuman Pandey send the font for Mongolian Square to Michel Suignard.

[137-A14] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Request Anshuman Pandey to update the Mongolian Square proposal and forward to Rick McGowan for UTC, and to Mike Ksar for WG2.

C.3.1 Proposal to encode five Arabic script characters for the Bravanese [Banfunzi, L2/13-178]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

Some awards given ~11:40

Short break.

B.14.1 Addressing process failure (uppercase, lowercase, alphabetic) [Davis, L2/13-183]

[137-A15] Action item for Mark Davis: Fix the derivation of alphabetic in DerivedCoreProperties.txt to be generated from "Lu+Ll+Lt+Lm+Lo+Nl + Other_Alphabetic", for 7.0.

[137-A16] Action item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Update the corresponding derivation of alphabetic in UAX #44. ("Lu+Ll+Lt+Lm+Lo+Nl + Other_Alphabetic".) For 7.0.

[137-A17] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Clarify casing stability based on section 2 of L2/13-183.

[137-A18] Action item for Mark Davis, Laurentiu Iancu: Review invariant tests and make fixes for Unicode 7.0.

B.14.3 Address issue with decorated Latin characters [Davis, L2/13-185]

[137-C6] Consensus: Change the decorated letters: 1F130..1F149, 1F150..1F169, 1F170..1F189 to be Uppercase and Alphabetic, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A19] Action item for Mark Davis: Update Proplist.txt for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A20] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #251.

Lunch 1:15 - 2:15.

B.14.5 Which characters should have emoji-style by default? [Davis, L2/13-207]

[137-A21] Action item for Mark Davis: Coordinate an ad-hoc Committee to look at emoji style default issues and variation selectors. See document L2/13-207.

B.14.6 Inventory of duplicate and absent "@missing" directives in the UCD files [Whistler, Iancu, L2/13-215]

[137-C7] Consensus: Add 4 @missing directives to PropertyValueAliases.txt, and delete 3 from data files, as documented in section 5 of L2/13-215, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A22] Action item for Mark Davis: Add 4 @missing directives to PropertyValueAliases.txt, and delete 3 from data files, as documented in section 5 of L2/13-215, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A23] Action item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Update the documentation in UAX #44 for Unicode 7.0, to reflect @missing changes. See L2/13-215.

Short break until 3:30

B.14.3 Documented fields in NameAliases.txt [Davis, L2/13-186]

[137-C8] Consensus: Add documentation to the header of NameAliases.txt as suggested in document L2/13-186, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A24] Action item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Update the header of NameAliases.txt based on L2/13-186, for Unicode 7.0.

B.12.2.1 Prevent line break between ‘/’ and Hebrew letter [Edberg, L2/13-211]

[137-C9] Consensus: Add rule "LB21B Don’t break between Solidus and Hebrew (SY × HL)" to UAX #14 for the first release after Unicode 7.0. See L2/13-211.

[137-A25] Action item for Andy Heninger, Editorial Committee: Include rule LB21B to UAX #14 for the first release after Unicode 7.0. See Consensus 137-C9.

B.14.2 Fix LB status for Floor/Ceiling characters [Davis, L2/13-184]

[137-C10] Consensus: Change the LB properties of U+2308 and U+230A from "AL" to "OP"; and U+2309, U+230B to "CL".

[137-A26] Action item for Laurentiu Iancu: Update Linebreak.txt for U+2308, U+230A, U+2309, U+230B for Unicode 7.0.

B.11.3 Issue 255: Feedback on repertoire for Amendment 1 to ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th Edition)
B.11.3.1.1 General feedback [L2/13-202]
B.11.3.2 Document for review [L2/13-182]

[137-A27] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add Roozbeh's comments on the turned Dama below to ballot comments on Amd 1. See L2/13-202, feedback on PRI #255.

[137-A28] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #255.

B.11.4 Issue 256: Feedback on repertoire for ISO/IEC 10646:2014 (4th Edition)
B.11.4.1.1 General feedback [L2/13-202]
B.11.4.2 Document for review [L2/13-151]

[137-A29] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #256.

B.11.1 Issue 248: Proposed Update UTS #18, Unicode #46, Unicode IDNA Compatibility Processing
B.11.1.1.1 General feedback [L2/13-202]
B.11.1.2 Document for review [Davis]

[137-C11] Consensus: Approve UTS #46 (Draft 2, Oct 03) for release as soon as it can be done.

[137-A30] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #248.

Discussion of schedule for Q3 2014 UTC meeting.

B.7.1 UC Berkeley Department of Linguistics - Script Encoding Initiative, Liaison report [Anderson, L2/13-209]

Oral report by Deborah Anderson.

Adjourned for the day at 5:30.

Wednesday, November 6, 2013

[Unicode Members meeting 9:40 - 10:30]

UTC meeting opened at 10:30.

9 voting members present: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, MS, Oman, Yahoo, UCB, SAP.

B.9.1 Unicode Locales Project (CLDR), Liaison report [Davis, Edberg]

Oral report by Mark Davis.

B.10 Unicode Localization Interoperability (ULI)
B.10.1 Liaison report [Loomis]

Oral report by Steven Loomis.

B.2.2.1.2 14651 - OWG Sort Convenor Report

Oral report by Ken Whistler.

B.3.5 Continued National Standards Development & Horizontal Extensions [Lunde, L2/13-192]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.14.4 Typographic Letter Spacing Character Classes [Ishii, L2/13-214]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

Lunch 1:15 - 2:15.

E.1 Proposal to incorporate two telephony symbols into Unicode by glyph and annotation changes [German NB, L2/13-105R]

[137-A31] Action item for Ken Whistler: Add a cross reference from U+0023 NUMBER SIGN to U+2317 VIEWDATA SQUARE.

[137-A32] Action item for Rick McGowan: Communicate UTC action 137-A31 to submitter of L2/13-105R.

B.11.5 Issue 257: Proposed Update UTR #36, Unicode Security Considerations
B.11.5.1.1 General feedback [L2/13-202]
B.11.5.1.2 UTR #36 and UTS #39 recommendations [Davis, L2/13-203]

[137-A33] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Add a section in UTR #36 as documented in L2/13-203, and move unstable links to the FAQ.

[137-C12] Consensus: Approve UTR #36 for publication.

[137-A34] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #257.

[137-A35] Action item for Rick McGowan: Prepare and publish UTR #36 when ready.

B.11.6 Issue 258: Proposed Update UTS #39, Unicode Security Mechanisms
B.11.6.1.1 General feedback [L2/13-202]
B.11.6.1.2 UTR #36 and UTS #39 recommendations [Davis, L2/13-203]

[137-A36] Action item for Ken Whistler: Work with Mark to insure that the Unicode BRS is updated for version 7.0 to reflect section 2 of document L2/13-203.

[137-A37] Action item for Mark Davis: Prepare a version 6.3.1 proposed update of UTS #39 with data tables that include the 55 characters listed in 5.A and section 4 additions of document L2/13-203, and the new confusables after review by Michel Suignard and Roozbeh Pournader.

[137-C13] Consensus: Approve UTS #39 version 6.3.0 for publication.

[137-A38] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Finalize UTS #39 for publication

[137-A39] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close PRI #258.

[137-A40] Action item for Rick McGowan: Prepare and publish UTS #39 version 6.3.0 when ready.

[137-A41] Action item for Rick McGowan: Prepare a PRI for UTS #39 version 6.3.1 to close January 27, 2013.

[137-C14] Consensus: Change the ScriptExtension property of U+0964 Devanagari Danda to include Syloti Nagri, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-C15] Consensus: Change the ScriptExtension property of U+0965 Devanagari Double Danda to include Syloti Nagri and Limbu, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A42] Action item for Mark Davis: Update ScriptExtensions.txt to include Syloti Nagri for U+0964; and Syloti Nagri and Limbu for U+0965.

[137-A43] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Look into the use of dandas in these scripts: Gujarati, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, and Sinhala.

[137-A44] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Look into the use of dandas for Sinhala and Limbu.

[137-A45] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Report back to Jungshik Shin re his feedback on Oct 2 2013, about classification of comma variants, and Armenian.

[137-A46] Action item for Rick McGowan: Copy all feedback on the Armenian issue only (Jungshik Shin, dated Oct 4, 2013) into another document for review at the next UTC meeting. Include a reference to CLDR ticket 6736, for the committee.

[137-A47] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Michael Onoff re his question on UAX #44 fields (Oct 9, 2013).

[137-A48] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Investigate the ScriptExtensions property of U+066A ARABIC PERCENT SIGN, U+066B ARABIC DECIMAL SEPARATOR, and U+066C ARABIC THOUSANDS SEPARATOR to Arabic and Thaana.

Meeting adjourned for the day at 5:45.

November 7, 2013

Meeting opened at 9:45

7 voting members represented: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, MS, SAP, UCB

D.6 Siddham
D.6.1 Comments on N4409R Proposal to Encode Variants for Siddham Script (WG2 N4486) [Glass, L2/13-189]
D.6.2 Practical approach to encoding Siddham variants [Pandey, L2/13-195]
D.6.3 Response to L2/13-195 on Siddham [Sharma, L2/13-208]

[137-A49] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add to ballot comments a request to delay consideration of the 6 Siddham letter variants while possible alternatives are being discussed by experts.

Yahoo is now present.

8 voting members represented: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, MS, SAP, UCB, Yahoo

D.2 Tamil
D.2.1.1 Request to use Tamil names in Tamil fractions and symbols [TVA, L2/13-161]
D.2.1.1.1 Response to L2/13-161 on naming Tamil fractions and symbols (WG2 N4477) [Sharma, L2/13-175]
D.2.1.1.2 Comment on Tamil Nadu government request L2/13-161, Use of Tamil Names for Tamil Fractions and Symbols [Ganesan, L2/13-193]
D.2.1.1.3 Feedback from Tamil Experts on Tamil Character Names and Annotations of Symbols and Fractions [Ganesan, L2/13-216]
D.2.1.1.4 Naming the Tamil fractions and symbols based on the Tamil Lexicon [Sharma, L2/13-217]
D.2.1.2 Request to change one character name from L2/13-047 (WG2 N4478) [Sharma, L2/13-176]
D.2.2 Request to change the Unicode chart font for Tamil (WG2 N4476) [Sharma, L2/13-174]

Oman MARA now present.

9 voting members represented: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, MS, SAP, UCB, Yahoo, Oman

[137-A50] Action item for Mani Manivannan, Shrirmana Sharma, Naga Ganesan: Work with experts to decide on a consistent approach to Tamil fraction names, by January 27, 2014 for the next UTC meeting.

[137-A51] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add to ballot comments on the 4th edition 10646 that we would prefer using Lohit Tamil font as seen already in the PDAM document.

D.3 Request to reallocate one character within the Grantha block (WG2 N4479) [Sharma, L2/13-179]

[137-C16] Consensus: Change the codepoint for U+1137D Grantha Sign Combining Anusvara Above from U+1137D to U+11300.

[137-A52] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to move the codepoint for U+1137D Grantha Sign Combining Anusvara Above from U+1137D to U+11300.

[137-A53] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add to ballot comments a request to change the codepoint for U+1137D Grantha Sign Combining Anusvara Above from U+1137D to U+11300.

D.8 Malayalam
D.8.1 Proposal for a Mechanism to Select from Multiple Malayalam C2-conjoining Forms [Johny, L2/13-219]
D.8.2 Comments on revised PRI 250 document on Malayalam conjoining forms [Sharma, L2/13-222]

[137-C17] Consensus: Issue a PRI on Malayalam conjoining forms based on L2/13-219, to close January 27, 2014.

[137-A54] Action item for Cibu Johny, Editorial Committee: Draft text for a PRI on Malayalam conjoining forms based on L2/13-219.

[137-A55] Action item for Rick McGowan: Post the PRI for Malayalam conjoining forms, to close January 27, 2014.

Short break.

B.14.7 Name issue for U+2B81

[137-C18] Consensus: Add a name alias of type "correction" for U+2B81, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A56] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update NameAliases.txt and the nameslist for Unicode 7.0, to include a correction for U+2B81.

[137-A57] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Andrew West re feedback on U+2B81.

[137-A58] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add to ballot comments on 4th edition.

B.14.8 Status of Indic_Matra_Category and Indic_Syllabic_Category

[137-A59] Action item for Lisa Moore: Add B.14.8 to the agenda for the next UTC meeting in February 2014.

C.3.1.1 Proposal to encode four Arabic script characters for Bravanese [Pournader, L2/13-223]

[137-C19] Consensus: Accept four Arabic letters:
U+08B6 ARABIC LETTER BEH WITH SMALL MEEM ABOVE
U+08B7 ARABIC LETTER PEH WITH SMALL MEEM ABOVE
U+08B9 ARABIC LETTER REH WITH SMALL NOON ABOVE
U+08BA ARABIC LETTER YEH WITH TWO DOTS BELOW AND SMALL NOON
for encoding in a future version of the standard.

[137-A60] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include 4 new Arabic letters. See Consensus 137-C19, L2/13-223.

[137-A61] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add 4 new Arabic letters to document requesting new additions. See Consensus 137-C19, L2/13-223.

[137-A62] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to proposers of Bravanese, L2/13-178.

[137-A63] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Forward the proposal to WG2.

[137-A64] Action item for Tom Milo: Work with Michael Everson to create a font for the 4 new Bravanese letters, and forward to Michel Suignard.

B.11.7.1 General feedback [L2/13-202]

[137-A65] Action item for Mark Davis, Michel Suignard: Consider the feedback from Chris Weber in L2/13-202 in the 6.3.1 version of Proposed Update UTS #39.

[137-A66] Action item for Mark Davis: Add some hangul normalization test cases to NormalizationTest.txt, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A67] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Martin Dürst re his feedback in L2/13-202 on Hangul normalization.

[137-A68] Action item for Aharon Lanin, Andrew Glass: Review the feedback from Loren Brichter (Oct 18, in L2/13-202) re UAX #9 and suggest any necessary changes, by January 27, 2014.

[137-A69] Action item for Ken Whistler: Add an annotation to U+1F12E based on Ken Lunde's feedback in L2/13-202. (Oct 28, Ken Lunde)

[137-A70] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Simon Montagu re feedback in L2/13-202 (Oct 21) that the 6.3.0 version of UTS #39 will contain both of these fixes.

[137-A71] Action item for Cibu Johny: Respond to Ajith R on Malayalam feedback of Oct 29, 2013 in L2/13-202.

C.11 Samples for usage of dandas in Gujarati, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, and Tamil [Pournader, L2/13-224]

[137-C20] Consensus: Add Gujarati, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, and Tamil to ScriptExtensions for U+0964 and U+0965, for Unicode 7.0.

[137-A72] Action item for Mark Davis: Add Gujarati, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, and Tamil to ScriptExtensions for U+0964 and U+0965, for Unicode 7.0.

C.12 Cedillas and commas below, take 2 [Muller, L2/13-225]

[137-A73] Action item for Eric Muller: Contact the LDS people working on Marshallese support, re L2/13-225.

[137-A74] Action item for Eric Muller: Forward L2/13-225 to WG2 as an expert contribution.

[137-A75] Action item for Eric Muller, Editorial Committee: Update section 7.2 of the core specification based on L2/13-225, for Unicode 7.0.

Short break.

B.13.2 Editorial Committee report [Whistler]

Oral report by Ken Whistler.

B.13.3.1 Use of STIX fonts in 7.0 charts [Pournader, L2/13-221]

Discussion. UTC took no action at this time.

B.1.3.2.2 Declaration for removing the "Old Hungarian" block from DAM [Demeczky, et al, L2/13-218]

[137-A76] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to submitters of L2/13-218 Hungarian) to say that UTC considered their proposal in L2/13-218 and decided to take no action.

B.2.2.1.2.1 14651 Ballot

Discussion of ballot comments.

L2 meeting intervened and concluded.

Thanks to the host (Apple).

UTC meeting #137 adjourned for the week at 4:15.

UTC Attendance

Members Represented

Members not in regular attendance: Andhra Pradesh, Bangladesh, India, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, Monotype, Oracle

Total full members in regular attendance:  8

Total institutional members in regular attendance: 1

Total supporting members in regular attendance: 0

Quorum: 5