It might be the sorting of a-umlaut as after "ae" rather than after "a"
Tex Texin wrote:
> Thanks for the information Alain.
>
> I have a user that is making claims about an old Swiss collation.
> I think he is fine with our algorithms for sorting, but wants
> some accented characters treated differently. I could just
> adjust tables to give him what he wants, but if it is close to some
> standard
> I prefer to give it a proper label and synchronize all the
> characters exactly, instead of just the few he expressed concerns
> about. Also, it wouldn't be the first time a user completely
> fantasized what the sort ordering should be, so I like to seek
> other evidence.
>
> Ever hear of an old Swiss collation? Or is there a recent
> change in Swiss collation?
>
> tex
>
> Alain wrote:
> >
> > À 12:36 2000-03-10 -0800, Tex Texin a écrit:
> > >I am looking into conventions for Swiss collation.
> > >
> > >I was pointed at DIN 5007. Is this on the web anywhere?
> > >
> > >Are there old and new Swiss collations, and are the
> > >collation conventions different depending on the language
> > >and/or dialect being used, since the Swiss use multiple
> > >languages.
> >
> > [Alain] DIN 5007 is for German. It is pretty similar to CAN/CSA Z243.4.1
> > which harmonized ordering for at least French, English, German, Italian,
> > Portuguese and Dutch at once. The only real difference is level-2 sorting
> > (Canadian standard -- based on French dictionaries sorting practice
> > discriminates quasi-homographs on multiple accents differences starting at
> > the end of words -- DIN 5007 does not do that, it starts at the beginning,
> > but for German dictionaries it practically does not matter [except for
> > words of French origin!], or at least much less than for French dictionaries).
> >
> > 3rd level discrimination (on case) is done the same in DIN 5007 as in the
> > Canadian standard. Actually we took German as a model for sorting lower
> > case before upper case as there is no firm practice for this in French
> > (except in encyclopedias which seem at first glance to do the reverse but
> > there are too many exceptions to deduce a rule) and we did not find firm
> > practice in English either while there was one in German...
> >
> > Michael Everson disagrees that for English lower case should be sorted
> > first in case of quasi homographs (ex. : august before August), based on
> > what he deduces from the short version of the OED. But the full OED has no
> > preference, it is easy to demonstrate (same kind of exceptions as for
> > French encyclopedias -- German case discrimination is systematic, whence
> > the reason for Canadian preference, which we find compatible with French
> > and English).
> >
> > For Switzerland, I would recommend the Canadian standard practice as it
> > includes German, French, Italian [and Romansch] at once, compatible
> > languages for sorting (unlike Spanish which would require tailoring for ñ
> > [and for ch and ll if traditional sorting is to be used]).
> >
> > Alain LaBonté
> > Charlesbourg
>
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