Another issue is that in some languages that use the Hebrew script (such as Yiddish), the use of vowels can be much more important. Deciding rules for a script based on its most common language (in this case the Hebrew language) does not seem like such a good idea to me.
<rant>
Oh how I wish that the notion of "language name = script name" had never happened; at best it is confusing, at worst people can be quite offended. ;-(
</rant>
Michka
----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan Rosenne <rosenne@qsm.co.il>
>To: "Unicode List" <unicode@unicode.org>
>Cc: wael.nasr@i-dns.net; Edmon <edmon@neteka.com>
>Subj: RE: [idn] nameprep forbidden characters
>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:54 AM
>
>Why should case be ignored in English?
>
>In Hebrew, points are optional. The word is the same with them and without them, or with just some of them.
>
>In addition, not all systems support them, and when they do most users don't know how to type them. It isn't easy - see http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/wniqud.htm
>
>A domain owner could publish it with points, to clarify the pronunciation, but many users would type it without them or even get them wrong.
>
>The issue has been discussed at the Hebrew WG of the SII and I think there is general agreement on this issue. We plan a paper some time in the future.
>
>I feel that when identifiers are case sensitive, such as in C, there may be a case for respecting points, although this would cause a problem with cross-system portability, but where case is ignored, such as in domain names, the emphasis is more on the pronunciation rather than the exact spelling.
>
>Jony
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Davis [mailto:markdavis@ispchannel.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 7:58 PM
>> To: Unicode List
>> Cc: wael.nasr@i-dns.net; Edmon
>> Subject: Re: [idn] nameprep forbidden characters
>>
>>
>> I am curious why you feel so strongly that the Hebrew points
>> should be ignored
>> in domain names. Prima facie, it seems that there is little harm
>> in treating
>> them no differently from other characters. What problem would arise if the
>> domain was ABC.COM and I could not get it by typing AB*C.COM?
>> (Here uppercase
>> stands for Hebrew, and * for a point.) Conversely, if someone really did
>> register AB*C.COM, would it be a problem that I couldn't get to
>> that location by
>> typing ABC.COM?
>>
>> It is my understanding that the vowels are rarely used, and that
>> people really
>> wouldn't use them in registered domain names anyway. It seems
>> that if someone
>> did take the trouble to type in the points, that there would be a
>> reason for
>> their making such a distinction.
>>
>> I'd appreciate it if you could help me to understand the issue
>> more clearly.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Jonathan Rosenne wrote:
>>
>> > We should distinguish "punctuation", like 060C Arabic Comma, and
>> > "diacritics", such as 064E Arabic Fatha. Diacritics is probably
>> the wrong
>> > word. I have the impression that you were referring to the latter.
>> >
>> > For Hebrew, my opinion is that from the point of view of the user,
>> > punctuation should be forbidden, while diacritics such as the vowels and
>> > other combining characters should be allowed and be ignored.
>> >
>> > I believe it is important that the rules for Arabic and Hebrew
>> should be the
>> > same as far as possible.
>> >
>> > Jony
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: owner-idn@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-idn@ops.ietf.org]On
>> > > Behalf Of Wael Nasr
>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 1:16 AM
>> > > To: Edmon; idn working group; Adam M. Costello
>> > > Subject: RE: [idn] nameprep forbidden characters
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Wanted to share with you that in the arabic Working group of
>> minc we have
>> > > discussed this
>> > > point at length.
>> > > In arabic the meaning of the word will change depending on
>> punctuation ,
>> > > like the
>> > > words "knowlege" and "flag" in arabic are exactly the same except for
>> > > punctuation.
>> > >
>> > > It is my opinion that , at least regarding arabic, no punctuation
>> > > should be
>> > > allowed for now.
>> > >
>> > > I am sure 5 years from now , domain name systems will be much
>> more dynamic
>> > > than what
>> > > we have now and will not be simply a simple mapping of
>> unicode or ascii to
>> > > an ip number.
>> > > at that time, punctuation can be allowed to be part of the game.
>> > > wael
>> > >
>> > > -------------------------------------------
>> > > Wael Nasr
>> > > Director, Middle East Business Development
>> > > I-DNS.net
>> > > wael.nasr@i-dns.net
>> > > Cell Phone(Egypt):+(201) 222 55 380
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: owner-idn@ops.ietf.org
>> [mailto:owner-idn@ops.ietf.org]On Behalf Of
>> > > Edmon
>> > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 12:59 AM
>> > > To: idn working group; Adam M. Costello
>> > > Subject: Re: [idn] nameprep forbidden characters
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps host names
>> > > > should avoid all punctuation in all languages so people
>> don't have to
>> > > > worry about it.
>> > >
>> > > I think we have to remember that it is the registrant's
>> choice to choose a
>> > > name that best reflects their identity online. Punctuations may
>> > > serve to be
>> > > great symbols that identifies an entity, for example a person
>> > > called O'Brian
>> > > would want to have the apostrophe for his domain name and a
>> company A&B
>> > > would want the "&" in their name. Our move to multilingual
>> is the best
>> > > opportunity for us to re-include these worthwhile and long
>> awaited symbols
>> > > back into the domain name space.
>> > >
>> > > Edmon
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > AMC
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
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