Re: RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET)

From: Thomas Chan (thomas@atlas.datexx.com)
Date: Wed Jun 06 2001 - 12:16:10 EDT


On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, John Cowan wrote:

> Marco Cimarosti scripsit:
> > Or "Hanyu", in fact, which is the normal name for "Mandarin" in Mandarin.
>
> I believe, however, that this term is relatively recent in its current
> sense, and is part of the effort the PRC government makes to distinguish
> between "zhongguo" as a political term and "han" as an ethnic one.

"Hanyu" usually does refer to Mandarin (in the same way that "Chinese" in
English usage usually refers to Mandarin), but I think that is because
Mandarin is considered the "standard" or is the "most salient" form of
Chinese. There are usages such as in the title of the book _Hanyu Fangyan
Cihui_[1], a Swadesh-esque comparison of terms in various "fangyan"
(topolects; usu. trans. as "dialects"), where non-standard Mandarin and
non-Mandarin forms of Chinese are included under the umbrella "Hanyu"
term.

(FYI, here's a sample from the 2nd ed. of the "tomato" entry:
  http://deall.ohio-state.edu/grads/chan.200/misc/tomato.jpg)

[1] _Hanyu Fangyan Cihui_ \u6c49\u8bed\u65b9\u8a00\u8bcd\u6c47,
    1st ed. (Beijing: Wenzi Gaige, 1964); 2nd ed. (Beijing: Yuwen,
    1995).

There is a discussion in one the latter chapters of Jerry Norman's
_Chinese_ (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1988) which discusses
terms including "hanyu", "putonghua", "zhongwen", "guanhua", etc.

Thomas Chan
tc31@cornell.edu



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