Re: Aramaic unification and information retrieval

From: Jim Allan (jallan@smrtytrek.com)
Date: Tue Dec 23 2003 - 11:05:22 EST

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    Michael Everson wrote:

    > Masonic scholars apparently differentiate
    > between Hebrew and Samaritan.

    Everyone apparently differentiates between Hebrew and Samaritan. They
    look different. How could you not differentiate between them?

    But medieval and modern scholars apparently differentiate between
    Carolingian, blackletter and Uncial scripts which Unicode mostly treats
    as variants of the Latin script (except for distinguishing "Fraktur"
    forms as distinct in Mathematical Alphanumerics). Howe could you not
    differentiate between them? They look different.

    Modern users differentiate between Italic and Roman and Sans-serif and
    so forth. They look different.

    Some scholars strongly differentiate between Chinese and Japanese
    writing systems.

    I understand there was strong pressure to distinguish Iranian Arabic
    script from other Arabic scripts.

    That different "styles" of writing are distinguished from one another
    by and are sometimes called different scripts, is not *alone* reason to
    code them separately within Unicode as you well know. The words "style"
    and "script" have fuzzy usage. "Script" is use in varying contexts to
    distinguish an minimum between two different styles of what is obviously
    the same writing system and at maximum to distinguish between two
    writing system totally unrelated to each other built on entirely
    different principles.

    Unfortunately I can't think of any better word in English.

    Whether Samaritan should or should not be unified with the script
    Unicode calls Hebrew or whether it should be unified with Paleo-Hebrew
    or whether Samaritan, Paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician should be unified and
    so forth is arguable.

    That doesn't mean that an obvious conclusion might not be reached once
    the arguments on one side and the other are set forth.

    Whether fraktur alphabetic characters and italic alphabetic characters
    and so forth should be distinguished from other alphabetic characters in
    mathematical plain text notation is also arguable. But reasons for the
    Unicode consortium making the decision it did (rather than simply
    telling mathematicians that what they wanted just wasn't plain text) do
    appear in TUS.

    It is only through such arguments set forth clearly that we can see what
    is most *logical* and (often more important) what is most *useful*.

    No-one is arguing that Hebrew and some forms of Aramaic are different
    scripts.

    The question (coming from users of these scripts) is whether the scripts
    (or styles) are different enough to warrant separate encoding within
    Unicode, whether they are not better unified in encoding.

    One can still distinguish them though markup when required, just as one
    does Chinese and Japanese or Uncial scripts and Roman scripts or various
    Runic styles.

    Jim Allan



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