From: Peter Kirk (peterkirk@qaya.org)
Date: Sat Jan 31 2004 - 07:43:25 EST
On 31/01/2004 03:22, Peter Kirk wrote:
> On 30/01/2004 15:29, Michael Everson wrote:
>
>> At 15:00 -0800 2004-01-30, Peter Kirk wrote:
>>
>>> Nor is that how mathematical alphanumeric symbols are used. But they
>>> are still given compatibility and collation data as if they were. I
>>> am simply looking for some consistency, and less confusion for the
>>> ordinary user of the collation charts who shouldn't see these
>>> letters highlighted at the top level, but rather hidden among a
>>> whole lot of other font variants used only for special purposes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wrong. The math symbols are not used in words in plain text which are
>> conventionally sorted. The Uralic Phonetic Alphabet letters certainly
>> are.
>
>
> Is the issue that fixing these weights is more bother than it's worth,
> as Ken suggested? Or is it that these weights are actually correct,
> because it is what is wanted by the users, the UPA community (and for
> 11 of the which are in the IPA block, the IPA community)? If the
> latter, I withdraw my objection. But I would want to see some evidence
> that the phoneticians actually want these to be sorted as separate
> letters at the top level. Have they been asked?
>
I see from a brief comparison of the IPA chart
(http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/fullchart.html) with the Latin alphabet
collation chart that there seems to be a general principle that separate
IPA characters are collated separately at the first level. Apart from
diacritics, I can see only one exception to that principle, c cedilla. I
assume that this was a deliberate decision, and it seems to be a
sensible one for IPA usage. This principle applies including the 8 or so
small caps in IPA. Other UPA variants e.g. rotated letters are sorted
separately at the top level, and so I suppose that the same principle
applies to UPA.
The change I was suggesting, to treat small caps as a font variant,
would compromise this principle for both IPA and UPA. For this reason I
want to withdraw the suggestion.
-- Peter Kirk peter@qaya.org (personal) peterkirk@qaya.org (work) http://www.qaya.org/
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