From: Peter R. Mueller-Roemer (pmr@cs.uni-frankfurt.de)
Date: Mon Aug 01 2005 - 07:26:17 CDT
Dear Adam,
I share your dismay about the cursor (and letters) jumping right and
back left again. It is not a configuration problem.
It is no surprise that the characters [!?,.] jump to R (the Right)
because they have either the L (for L2R) or neutral directional property.
It is a reasonable and practical decision for entering mixed text
alternating between R2L and L2R text (on the same line) but I hate it if
the cursor jumps after an Alef to R just because I want to enter a SPace
and to jump back to L when entering Beth. Changing the bidi direction
only on whole paragraphs does not alleviate these problems with entering
different texts on the same line.
Would someone, please, make a formal proposal to the Technical Committee
to provide space, punctuation marks and possibly more characters with
both the R- and L-property. It would allow to change
Hebrew/Arabic-keyboard-layouts
easily to generate just the desired SP,!,...
The MS-KeyboardLayoutCreator does not seem to allow to change the
R/L-property of SP....
Sincerely Peter R. Mueller-Roemer
Adam Reisman wrote:
> Has there ever been talk about creating a complete set of
> right-to-left Hebrew punctuation. I'm having problems with
> punctuation direction...or maybe I'm just doing it wrong. I have no
> problem when Using MS Word, but when I type up an email in Internet
> Explorer, the punctuation always jumps to the wrong end of the
> sentence. Then when I type the next sentence, the punctuation in the
> previous sentence jumps back to where it's supposed to be. This isn't
> a problem until I get to the last sentence of a paragraph or if I type
> a one-sentence line:
>
> המשפט הראשון בסדר! המשפט השני הוא גם־כן בסדר! אבל הפיסוק למשמפט האחרון
> עובר להתחלת הטכט!
>
> In the above example, the exclamation point on the far right, should
> be on the far left because it belongs to the last sentence.
>
> שלום!
> In the above example, the word "shalom" should have the exclamation
> point on the left.
>
> למה?
>
> Why?
>
> Is this a configuration issue I can correct, or is this something I'm
> doing wrong, or just something that people have to deal with? I can
> partially solve this by using the gershayim (U+05F4) as quotation
> marks, and the sof-pasuq (U+05C3) as a colon, but that's not enough.
> I thought about using Arabic punctuation, because it's
> coded right-to-left (it has a character I could use as a Hebrew comma,
> and the semi-colon and question mark are close enough even though they
> are inverted), but I worry that it will come out garbled when the
> person I write to tries to read it.
>
> (as an aside, another reason for Hebrew punctuation would be that in
> the Times Roman font, the punctuation doesn't match the Frankruhl
> Hebrew! The Hebrew period and all other punctuation dots should be
> diamond-shaped).
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> *תודה רבה!!*
> *Thank you!!*
> **
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