Re: Missing old Greek ligature/letter "omicron+upsilon above"

From: Apostolos Syropoulos (ijdt.editor@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 19 2010 - 15:12:54 CDT

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    2010/9/19 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p@wanadoo.fr>

    > > Message du 19/09/10 20:35
    > > De : "Apostolos Syropoulos" <ijdt.editor@gmail.com>
    > > A : "Unicode Mailing List" <unicode@unicode.org>
    > > Copie à : verdy_p@wanadoo.fr
    > > Objet : Re: Missing old Greek ligature/letter "omicron+upsilon above"
    > >
    > > 2010/9/19 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p@wanadoo.fr>
    > >
    > >
    > > > Clearly there does seem to be missing a Greek letter, which should
    > > > behave exactly like the Latin letter. I can't say
    > > > if this is a contamination of the Greek script by the Latin script
    > > > (the book itself is in French), or if finally the
    > > > ligature was also used in Greek books. I think that such famous
    > > > authors were knowing Greek enough to have seen the
    > > > ligature used in pure Greek alone.
    > > >
    > >
    > > All I can tell that ου is a diphthong and since it is very common people
    > > have been using the form you are mentioning. The following shows that
    > > it was something used in Greek text alone:
    > >
    > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greek_print_1566_Aristotle.png
    >
    > Ok but I'm concerned by the fact that the existing Latin 'ou'
    > ligature/letter U+0222/U+0223 cannot be used safely for Greek:
    > - it has the wrong script property
    >

    That is correct.

    > - when combined with a Greek circumflex (canonically equivalent with
    > the latin tilde), this circumflex won't be able to adopt the curved
    > circumflex form (inversed breve) that is also commonly found in many
    > Greek font styles and handwritten Greek styles, but normally NOT
    > suitable for the tilde over a Latin letter) ;
    >

    Well some years ago, me and a friend of mine created a font that based on
    the
    original printing of the Philokalia books. The font is freely available from
    http://openfontlibrary.org/files/asyropoulos/244 Now the original text
    incuded
    all sorts of accented ου letters/ligatures.

    > - it won't combine correctly with Greek spirits
    >

    No it does.

    > - there's a difference between the diphtong "omicron+upsilon" and the
    > pair of Greek vowels (that's why I think it's not really a ligature
    >

    Sorry but I do not understand what you mean here.

    A.S.

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    Apostolos Syropoulos
    Xanthi, GREECE
    


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