Re: Aleph-umlaut

On 11/11/18 6:00 PM, Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode wrote:
> On 11/11/2018 1:37 PM, Hans Åberg wrote:
>>> On 11 Nov 2018, at 22:16, Asmus Freytag via Unicode<unicode_at_unicode.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/11/2018 12:32 PM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote:
>>> One should not rely too much these autotranslation tools, but it may
>>> be quicker using some OCR program and then correct by hand, than
>>> entering it all by hand. The setup did not admit transliterating
>>> Hebrew script directly into German. It seems that the translator
>>> program recognizes it as Yiddish, though it might be as a result of
>>> an assumption it makes.
>
>
> Well, the OCR does a much better job than the "translation".
>
Agreed:
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>
>> The German translation it gives:
>> Unsere Sünde kommt von der Seite der Verletzten, nachdem sie darauf gewartet hat, erwartet zu werden, und nachdem sie die Vorstellungen dieser rabbinischen Andachten kennengelernt haben, haben sie begonnen, mit der Motivation zu schließen:
>
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> This is simply utter nonsense and does not even begin to correlate
> with the transliteration.
>
Yeah, that looks like word salad even to me and my tiny knowledge of
German.  The first words are definitely "Wir sind," for example.
>
>> And in English:
>> Our sin is coming out of the side of the injured side, after waiting to be expected, and having the concepts of these rabbinical devotiones, they have begun to agree with the motivation:
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>
> In fact, the English translation makes somewhat more sense. For
> example, "Gegenpartei" in many legal contexts (which this sample
> isn't, by the way) can in fact be translated as "injured party", which
> in turn might correlate with an "injured side" as rendered. However
> "Seite der Verletzten" makes no sense in this context, unless there's
> a Hebrew word that accidentally matches and got picked up.
>
The pamphlet seems to be referring to forming some sort of sub-community
or group as a "gegenpartei," I think.

The actual content of the work is not a deep mystery, really.

~mark

> (I'm suspicious that some of the auto translation does in fact work
> like many real translations which often are not direct, but involve an
> intermediate language - simply because it's not possible to find
> sufficient translators between random pairs of languages.).
>
>> >From the original Hebrew script, in case someone wants to try out more possibilities:
>> וויר זינד אונס דעססען בעוואוסט דאסס פֿאָן זייטע דער גע־ געפארטהיי וועדער רייע , נאך איינזיכט צו ערווארטען איזט אונד דאסט זיא דיא קאַנסעקווענצען דיעזער ראבבינישען גוטאכטען פֿאָן זיך אבשיטטעלען ווערדען מיט דער מאָטיווירונג , דאסס :
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> I don't know what that will tell you. You have a rendering that
> produces coherent text which closely matches a phonetic
> transliteration. What else do you hope to learn?
>
> A./
>
Received on Sun Nov 11 2018 - 18:24:28 CST