Accumulated Feedback on PRI #508

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Date/Time: Sun Sep 22 05:21:48 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20240922052148
Name: KWAN Ching Kit
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

The kCantonese property value of 貎 is currently maau6, which is likely due
to confusion with 貌. It should be corrected to ngai4, aligning with the
pronunciation of its variant 猊. The kMandarin property value ní and the
kFanqie 五稽 also justify this.

Date/Time: Mon Sep 23 03:52:56 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20240923035256
Name: Shieru Asakoto
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

Propose to add a secondary kRSUnicode value "61.6" to U+2BB7B 𫭻

Currently U+2BB7B 𫭻 only has a single kRSUnicode value "32.7".

Originally the V-source of the character, V4-445A, was submitted as ⿰土忌,
hence the 土 radical and the current kRSUnicode value "32.7"; however in
WS2017 another similar characters WS2017-01282(V-F1DCA) & WS2017-01283
(GDM-00068) ⿱圮心 with proposed kRSUnicode value "61.6" were submitted, and
IRG decided that the original source V4-445A did not match the evidence and
the WS2017 glyphs should be the current ones, hence these submissions were
unified to U+2BB7B and the V-source font of V4-445A was modified to ⿱圮心.

The structure of the character U+2BB7B has been changed to have ⿱圮心 where 土
is no longer as apparent as 心 for radical, and although not yet
horizontally extended by China, the WS2017 submissions shows 心 radical for
⿱圮心. Furthermore in the WS2017 submissions, although the evidence shows
ji4, implying ⿰土忌, as its Mandarin reading, an alternative reading pi3,
implying ⿱圮心, is also given. As a result, I suggest adding a secondary
kRSUnicode value "61.6" to U+2BB7B 𫭻 to reflect the above unification and
modification.

Thanks.

Date/Time: Mon Sep 23 05:13:18 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20240923051318
Name: Michel Mariani
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

UAX #38 mentions the CJKRadicals.txt data
file <https://www.unicode.org/Public/UCD/latest/ucd/CJKRadicals.txt>,
which should be updated to be consistent with the use of apostrophes after
the radical number described in the kRSUnicode property.

# CJK radical numbers match the regular expression [1-9][0-9]{0,2}\'{0,2}
# and in particular they can end with one or two U+0027 ' APOSTROPHE characters.

should be:

# CJK radical numbers match the regular expression [1-9][0-9]{0,2}\'{0,3}
# and in particular they can end with one, two, or three U+0027 ' APOSTROPHE characters.

Date/Time: Mon Sep 23 22:50:59 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20240923225059
Name: KWAN Ching Kit
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

The kCantonese property value of 拼 should be modified from ping1 to ping3 to reflect 
modern usage, e.g. 粵拼 jyut6 ping3.

Date/Time: Sat Sep 28 13:54:36 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20240928135436
Name: Ken Lunde
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

For consistency, when the 𫇦 component appears in an ideograph, Radical #140 
should be its primary or secondary radical, in terms of its kRSUnicode property 
value. The following adjustments should be made to accommodate this policy:

1) The following ideographs already have two kRSUnicode property values, but 
because the IRG counts 𫇦 as six strokes, the 5 in the second property value 
should be changed to 6:

U+8314 茔	kRSUnicode	140.5 32.5 → 140.5 32.6
U+8365 荥	kRSUnicode	140.6 85.5 → 140.6 85.6
U+8366 荦	kRSUnicode	140.6 93.5 → 140.6 93.6
U+8367 荧	kRSUnicode	140.6 86.5 → 140.6 86.6
U+83B9 莹	kRSUnicode	140.7 96.5 → 140.7 96.6
U+8426 萦	kRSUnicode	140.8 120.5 → 140.8 120.6

Their kTotalStrokes property values should also be adjusted as follows:

U+8314 kTotalStrokes 8 → 9
U+8365 kTotalStrokes 9 → 10
U+8366 kTotalStrokes 9 → 10
U+8367 kTotalStrokes 9 → 10
U+83B9 kTotalStrokes 10 → 11
U+8426 kTotalStrokes 11 → 12

2) The following ideographs should have a second kRSUnicode property value 
(corrections to existing property values are shown in parentheses):

U+52B3 劳	kRSUnicode	19.5 + 140.4 (change 19.5 to 19.6)
U+83BA 莺	kRSUnicode	140.7 + 196'.6
U+8424 萤	kRSUnicode	140.8 + 142.6
U+848F 蒏	kRSUnicode	140.9 + 164.6
U+84E5 蓥	kRSUnicode	140.10 + 167.6
U+44BF 䒿	kRSUnicode	140.6 + 130.6
U+44E8 䓨	kRSUnicode	140.8 + 121.6
U+26B2E 𦬮	kRSUnicode	140.4 + 10.6
U+26B6C 𦭬	kRSUnicode	140.5 + 50.6
U+26B9C 𦮜	kRSUnicode	140.6 + 68.6
U+26F89 𦾉	kRSUnicode	140.13 + 196.6
U+30300 𰌀	kRSUnicode	38.6 + 140.5
U+3095E 𰥞	kRSUnicode	109.6 + 140.7
U+309B7 𰦷	kRSUnicode	112.6 + 140.7
U+30C21 𰰡	kRSUnicode	140.3 + 1.6
U+30D2F 𰴯	kRSUnicode	149.6 + 140.9
U+32056 𲁖	kRSUnicode	147'.6 + 140.6

3) The following are missing kTraditionalVariant/kSimplifiedVariant 
relationships in the Unihan database:

U+848F 蒏 & U+919F 醟
U+44BF 䒿 & U+818B 膋
U+26B6C 𦭬 & U+2210B 𢄋
U+26B9C 𦮜 & U+23088 𣂈
U+26F16 𦼖 & U+258FB 𥣻
U+30C21 𰰡 & U+8499 蒙
U+32056 𲁖 & U+89AE 覮

That is all.

Date/Time: Tue Oct 15 22:32:21 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20241015223221
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

Currently, U+34A8 㒨 and U+20457 𠑗 have the same G-source representative
glyph. What is more, there seems to be a mismatch between the kHanYu and
kIRGHanyuDaZidian properties of these two characters:

- U+34A8 㒨
  - kHanYu: 10239.060
  - kIRGHanyuDaZidian: 10239.050
- U+20457 𠑗
  - kHanYu: 10239.050
  - kIRGHanyuDaZidian: 10239.060

I have checked p. 239 of 《汉语大字典》 (1st ed.), and the 6th character exactly
matches the G-source glyph. However, the 5th character is more similar to
the other glyphs of U+34A8 㒨, with its upper right part identical to the
J-source glyph and its lower right part identical to the T-source glyph.

Besides, since the kIRG_GSource property of U+34A8 㒨 is G5-3329, I have also
checked GB 7590—87, the simplified counterpart of GB5, and the character
placed at 19-09 (0x3329) is not the same as the G-source glyph. The current
G-source glyph has a lower right part of 巳, while the GB4 glyph has a lower
right part of 㔾.

Therefore, the solution seems to be modifying the G-source glyph of U+34A8 㒨
to match the 5th character on p. 239 of 《汉语大字典》 (1st ed.), changing the
kIRG_GSource property of U+34A8 㒨 into GHZ-10239.05, and altering the
kHanyu properties of U+34A8 㒨 and U+20457 𠑗.

To summarise, this feedback suggests a glyph change to the G-source of
U+34A8 㒨, plus the following changes to the Unihan database:

- U+34A8 㒨
  - kIRG_GSource: G5-3329 -> GHZ-10239.05
  - kHanYu: 10239.060 -> 10239.050
- U+20457 𠑗
  - kHanYu: 10239.050 -> 10239.060

That is all.

Date/Time: Tue Oct 15 22:45:36 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20241015224536
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

The G-source representative glyph of U+20057 𠁗 seems to be erroneous.

The kIRG_GSource property of this character is GHZ-10027.03. However, the
3rd character on p. 27 of 《汉语大字典》 (1st ed.) has a glyph which is identical
to the T- and J-source glyphs of U+20057 𠁗.

Therefore, I request a change to the G-source glyph of U+20057 𠁗 to match
with its other representative glyphs.

That is all.

Date/Time: Wed Oct 16 03:12:10 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20241016031210
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

The current T-source glyph of U+277B0 𧞰 is different from all its other
representative glyphs, and is identical with all the representative glyphs
of U+2D7CD 𭟍.

Considering that the radical of U+277B0 𧞰 is 145 ⾐, I suggest either
changing the T-source glyph of U+277B0 𧞰 to take the radical ⻂, or move the
T-source glyph to U+2D7CD 𭟍.

That is all.

Date/Time: Wed Oct 16 03:40:11 CDT 2024
ReportID: ID20241016034011
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

The kIRG_GSource property of U+5829 堩 is GE-346D. However, in GB/T
16500—1998, the character placed at 20-77 (0x346D) has the same glyph as
U+21377 𡍷.

Therefore, I suggest that the kIRG_GSource property of U+5829 堩 be changed
to GKX-0233.26.

That is all.

Feedback above this line has already been reviewed during UTC #181 in November, 2024.

Date/Time: Fri Nov 15 01:08:10 CST 2024
ReportID: ID20241115010810
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

The kRSUnicode property value of U+24822 𤠢 should be 94.9 instead of 94.10 
to match the kTotalStrokes property value of 13.

Date/Time: Thu Nov 21 07:05:01 CST 2024
ReportID: ID20241121070501
Name: Michel Mariani
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508

- The kTotalStrokes property of the following CJK ideographs made of two repeated 
components is obviously incorrect; each numeric value should be even, not odd:

U+56CD	kTotalStrokes	21
U+22035	kTotalStrokes	5
U+225F0	kTotalStrokes	7
U+22A92	kTotalStrokes	7
U+23D0F	kTotalStrokes	9
U+24934	kTotalStrokes	9
U+25749	kTotalStrokes	17
U+2699A	kTotalStrokes	17
U+28C8D	kTotalStrokes	15
U+28E19	kTotalStrokes	5
U+29A86	kTotalStrokes	19

should be:

U+56CD	kTotalStrokes	24
U+22035	kTotalStrokes	6
U+225F0	kTotalStrokes	8
U+22A92	kTotalStrokes	8
U+23D0F	kTotalStrokes	10
U+24934	kTotalStrokes	10
U+25749	kTotalStrokes	18
U+2699A	kTotalStrokes	16
U+28C8D	kTotalStrokes	16
U+28E19	kTotalStrokes	4
U+29A86	kTotalStrokes	18

- Likewise, for these CJK ideographs made of multiple repeated components:

U+264C8	kTotalStrokes	17
U+264CB	kTotalStrokes	23

should be:

U+264C8	kTotalStrokes	18
U+264CB	kTotalStrokes	24

- Accordingly, these kRSUnicode properties should also be corrected:

U+22035	kRSUnicode	49.2
U+28E19	kRSUnicode	170.3
U+29A86	kRSUnicode	188.10

should be:

U+22035	kRSUnicode	49.3
U+28E19	kRSUnicode	170.2
U+29A86	kRSUnicode	188.9 188.10

Date/Time: Tue Dec 10 11:32:52 CST 2024
ReportID: ID20241210113252
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508


Currently, U+51F5 凵 and U+2F81D 凵 share the same T-source representative glyph. 
However, the glyph of U+2F81D 凵 does not match its source reference value of T5-2129, 
which has a glyph identical to U+20674 𠙴, as seen on the 全字庫 CNS11643 website. 
Additionally, the glyph of U+2F81D 凵 also matches U+20674 𠙴 in the 異體字字典 released 
by Taiwan's Ministry of Education.

In WG2 N2270, the glyph of U+2F81D 凵 was the same as it is today, while the glyph of 
U+51F5 凵 was similar to U+20674 𠙴. However, the T-source glyph of U+51F5 凵 has 
remained unchanged since the very first version of ISO/IEC 10646. Furthermore, the 
Kangxi index for U+2F81D 凵 was 0134.400, which also matches U+20674 𠙴. Clearly, the 
glyphs of U+51F5 凵 and U+2F81D 凵 were confused in WG2 N2270, leading to the mistaken 
unification of T5-2129 to U+51F5 凵 instead of U+20674 𠙴, and the encoding of U+2F81D 凵.

Therefore, I suggest moving T5-2129 with a corrected glyph to U+20674 𠙴, and revising 
the kIRG_TSource property of U+2F81D 凵 to TU-2F81D.

That is all.

Reference:
- 字形資訊 - [凵] 2-2123 - 全字庫 CNS11643 (2024). https://www.cns11643.gov.tw/wordView.jsp?ID=139555
- 字形資訊 - [凵] 5-2129 - 全字庫 CNS11643 (2024). https://www.cns11643.gov.tw/wordView.jsp?ID=336169
- [N00506] 凵 - 教育部《異體字字典》 臺灣學術網路十四版(正式七版)2024. https://dict.variants.moe.edu.tw/dictView.jsp?ID=115808
- [C00513] 凵 - 教育部《異體字字典》 臺灣學術網路十四版(正式七版)2024. https://dict.variants.moe.edu.tw/dictView.jsp?ID=79366
- ISO/IEC JTC1/SC2/WG2 N2270 - Updated CJK Compatibility Ideographs sets from TCA. https://www.unicode.org/wg2/docs/n2270.pdf

Date/Time: Thu Dec 12 21:03:17 CST 2024
ReportID: ID20241212210317
Name: Eiso Chan
Report Type: Error Report
Opt Subject: KP0-FBFD


Current KP0-FBFD and KP1-8833 glyphs are the same. KP0-FBFD doesn’t match other sources.

Date/Time: Wed Dec 25 20:52:50 CST 2024
ReportID: ID20241225205250
Name: Judith Chen
Report Type: Public Review Issue
Opt Subject: 508


The kRSUnicode property value of U+2C0D1 𬃑 should be 75.9 instead of 75.8 to match the kTotalStrokes property value of 13.

References:
- IRG N1279-A - Viet Nam CJK_C Remainders Submitting to IRG. https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1lBt-u0F-7D4KbAFBR7XusFwskMvpFL0k&export=download
- 03067 | ⿱𦍌𫶧 | WS2024v1.0. https://hc.jsecs.org/irg/ws2024/app/?id=03067