From: Mark Davis ☕ (email@example.com)
Date: Mon Jun 28 2010 - 13:38:12 CDT
I'll overlook the lack of civility, since I can understand that kind of
frustration when something doesn't work.
This is the first I've heard of this as a problem with Google Groups. I
filed a bug against Groups for this issue; I'll see what they find out. I
don't know what is going on there, since Gmail handled your message
correctly; that is, your message was tagged as:
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-7
Gmail picked the right charset to convert into Unicode, and Greek characters
are correctly displayed in my Gmail window, which is UTF-8.
BTW, does the same thing happen if you send your email in UTF-8?
The problem with slavishly following the charset parameter is that it is
often incorrect. However, the charset parameter is a signal into the
character detection module, so the charset is correctly supplied from the
message then the results of the detection will be weighted that direction.
— Il meglio è l’inimico del bene —
2010/6/28 Andreas Prilop <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Full-quoting upside-down, Mark Davis wrote:
> > What I'm guessing is that message was sent in Latin-15,
> > which can't be reliably distinguished from Latin-1.
> How come that all browsers show a euro sign at
> I tell you the secret:
> It is the "charset" parameter, which is now 18 (eighteen!) years old.
> Only Mark Davis and inept Google programmers still don't get it
> even in the year 2010.
> But it not just the euro sign. Here is the Greek alphabet:
> Α Β Γ Δ Ε Ζ Η Θ Ι Κ Λ Μ Ν Ξ Ο Π Ρ Σ Τ Υ Φ Χ Ψ Ω
> α β γ δ ε ζ η θ ι κ λ μ ν ξ ο π ρ σ τ υ φ χ ψ ω
> I post this message also to <news:uk.test> so that others
> can view at http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.test/topics
> what Google makes out of it.
> Nearly all messages from
> are correctly treated as ISO-8859-2.
> Only my message
> is treated as ISO-8859-1. Why?
> It seems that the silly Google "algorithm" checks whether a poster
> writes from Poland or from Germany.
> Groups.google is now infamous in Germany for fucking up special characters.
> Just one example is
> All umlauts are fucked up by Google.
> I do call this brain-dead.
> I call it brain-dead to ignore the charset parameter and
> to make silly guesses instead.
> Inept programmers are not fired by Google;
> they must work at groups.google.com.
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