Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?

Hi Philippe,

You're right, collation is an issue, but it would be in any case, if we're
to care about it. If markup is used, it will have to express not only
presentation but the semantics of alternative spelling.

Leo

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p_at_wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> In plain text, we would just use the [s|z] notation without care about
> presentation & font sizes used in the rendered rich text page. It correctly
> represent the intended alternation without giving more importance to one
> base letter.
> But it you wanted to allow plain text search with collators, you would
> need to choose one as the base letter and the other one as a combining
> diacritic with ignored higher-level differences, using either US English or
> British/International English to fix the base letter (the other letter
> would be an interlinear annotation for the second orthography, either above
> or below the base letter).
>
>
> 2013/10/1 Steffen Daode <sdaoden_at_gmail.com>
>
>> Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny_at_eglug.org> wrote:
>> |Using TeX:
>> |
>> | \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
>>
>> Using groff:
>>
>> #!/bin/sh -
>>
>> cat << \! > t.tr
>> .de zs
>> . nr #1 \\w'z'
>> \\Z'\
>> \\v'-.25v's\
>> \\h'-\\n(#1u'\
>> \\v'.5v'z\
>> '\
>> \\h'\\n(#1u'
>> . rr #1
>> ..
>> Fraterni
>> .zs
>> e.
>> !
>>
>> groff t.tr > t.ps
>> ps2pdf t.ps
>> rm t.tr t.ps
>> exit 0
>>
>> (Can surely be tweaked.)
>>
>> |Regards,
>> |Khaled
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> --steffen
>>
>>
>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>> From: Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny_at_eglug.org>
>> To: Leo Broukhis <leob_at_mailcom.com>
>> Cc: unicode Unicode Discussion <unicode_at_unicode.org>
>> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:09:31 +0200
>> Subject: Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 05:51:09PM -0700, Leo Broukhis wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Attached is a part of page 36 of Henry Alford's *The Queen's English: a
>> > manual of idiom and usage (1888)* [
>> > http://archive.org/details/queensenglishman00alfo]
>> >
>> > Is the way to indicate alternative s/z spellings used there plain text
>> > (arguably, if it can be done with a typewriter, it is plain text)
>>
>> I see a typeset book not an output of a typewriter.
>>
>> > or rich text (ignoring the font size of letters s and z)?
>> >
>> > If it's the latter, what's the markup to achieve it?
>>
>> Using TeX:
>>
>> \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
>>
>> 49. How are we to decide between {\it s} and {\it z} in such words as
>> anathemati\s{}e, cauteri\s{}e, criti\-ci\s{}e, deodori\s{}e,
>> dogmati\s{}e,
>> fraterni\s{}e, and the rest? Many of these are derived from Greek
>> \bye
>>
>> Regards,
>> Khaled
>>
>>
>
Received on Tue Oct 01 2013 - 12:33:51 CDT