From: André Szabolcs Szelp (a.sz.szelp@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 14 2009 - 03:46:28 CDT
OR it is a subscript *ring* _inspired_by_ "zero" but not intending to by
glyphtically zero. C.f. some phonetic usages of superscript ring modelled on
"o" for denoting labialization, which is definitely a ring and not an
superscript "o" for it's parallel in the same notational system with
prime/acute for palatalization. E.g. Petrovici's work on Rumanian phonetics
and phonology "Kann das Phonemsystem einer Sprache durch fremden Einfluss
umgestaltet werden? Zum slavischen Einfluss auf das rumänische Lautsystem."
Mouton 1957.
This, in accordance with George was my first impression. Of course, it's
possible that both facts (tone zero and ideographic period in parallel with
the period for non-optional neutral) have influenced his choice.
Nice example of multiple causes.
Szabolcs
2009/7/13 George W Gerrity <g.gerrity@gwg-associates.com.au>
> The tones are numbered 1–4, and the neutral tone is sometimes numbered 0
> (zero), so perhaps it is simply the arabic numeral zero.
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> On 2009-07-13, at 19:43, Christoph Burgmer wrote:
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> Am Montag, 13. Juli 2009 schrieb Robert Abel:
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> Hi,
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> are you sure it is supposed to look like the scans you provided? It
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> might be that the printing for the book was fairly limited and could not
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> account for these characters' true glyphs?
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> I would personally go with <U+0064><U+0325>, this provides d̥ for me
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> which has the circle right under the d with an appropriate font.
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> --> http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8477/bujydaw.png
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> How encourage this is I don't know, but at least it would conform to IPA
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> as in being voiceless or nearly so.
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>
> Interesting point.
> My guess though is that it just might be a subscript Latin O, for
> "_o_ptional
> neutral tone".
> I can check W. Simon's books on GR that are quoted for reference, and see
> how
> it renders there.
>
> I think I posed the wrong question in the beginning. How to know which
> character to use if all I have is printed material that probably used rich-
> text information to render the glyph.
>
> Am I wrong looking for a plain-text solution? I believe a Romanisation is
> so
> basic it should be expressible in plain-text.
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> -Christoph
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