Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?

|With MathML, you could||use:||
||
||anathemati||||<math><mmultiscripts><none/><mi
mathvariant="roman">s</mi><mi mathvariant="roman">z</mi></math>| (drop
that in an HTML document and take a look).

This doesn't look like plain text to me. I don't think it argues in
favor of any sort of combining Z or general combinator mark. This is
just what markup is for.

~mark

On 10/01/2013 08:05 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote:
> If my understanding of interlinear annotations is correct, to achieve
> similarity with the attached sample some markup will be required as well:
>
> anathemati^{<U+FFF9>z<U+FFFA>s<U+FFFB>}e.
>
> Leo
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Jean-François Colson <jf_at_colson.eu
> <mailto:jf_at_colson.eu>> wrote:
>
> Le 01/10/13 15:39, Philippe Verdy a écrit :
>> In plain text, we would just use the [s|z] notation without
>> care about presentation & font sizes used in the rendered rich
>> text page. It correctly represent the intended alternation
>> without giving more importance to one base letter.
>> But it you wanted to allow plain text search with collators, you
>> would need to choose one as the base letter and the other
>> one as a combining diacritic with ignored higher-level
>> differences, using either US English or British/International
>> English to fix the base letter (the other letter would be an
>> interlinear annotation for the second orthography, either above
>> or below the base letter).
>>
>
> Interlinear annotation… Yes, of course, you could write
> anathemati<U+FFF9>z<U+FFFA>s<U+FFFB>e. Halas, the characters
> U+FFF9 INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR
> U+FFFA INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR
> U+FFFB INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION TERMINATOR
> are not supported by any software I know.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> 2013/10/1 Steffen Daode <sdaoden_at_gmail.com
>> <mailto:sdaoden_at_gmail.com>>
>>
>> Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny_at_eglug.org
>> <mailto:khaledhosny_at_eglug.org>> wrote:
>> |Using TeX:
>> |
>> | \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
>>
>> Using groff:
>>
>> #!/bin/sh -
>>
>> cat << \! > t.tr <http://t.tr>
>> .de zs
>> . nr #1 \\w'z'
>> \\Z'\
>> \\v'-.25v's\
>> \\h'-\\n(#1u'\
>> \\v'.5v'z\
>> '\
>> \\h'\\n(#1u'
>> . rr #1
>> ..
>> Fraterni
>> .zs
>> e.
>> !
>>
>> groff t.tr <http://t.tr> > t.ps <http://t.ps>
>> ps2pdf t.ps <http://t.ps>
>> rm t.tr <http://t.tr> t.ps <http://t.ps>
>> exit 0
>>
>> (Can surely be tweaked.)
>>
>> |Regards,
>> |Khaled
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> --steffen
>>
>>
>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>> From: Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny_at_eglug.org
>> <mailto:khaledhosny_at_eglug.org>>
>> To: Leo Broukhis <leob_at_mailcom.com <mailto:leob_at_mailcom.com>>
>> Cc: unicode Unicode Discussion <unicode_at_unicode.org
>> <mailto:unicode_at_unicode.org>>
>> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:09:31 +0200
>> Subject: Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?
>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 05:51:09PM -0700, Leo Broukhis wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Attached is a part of page 36 of Henry Alford's *The
>> Queen's English: a
>> > manual of idiom and usage (1888)* [
>> > http://archive.org/details/queensenglishman00alfo]
>> >
>> > Is the way to indicate alternative s/z spellings used there
>> plain text
>> > (arguably, if it can be done with a typewriter, it is plain
>> text)
>>
>> I see a typeset book not an output of a typewriter.
>>
>> > or rich text (ignoring the font size of letters s and z)?
>> >
>> > If it's the latter, what's the markup to achieve it?
>>
>> Using TeX:
>>
>> \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
>>
>> 49. How are we to decide between {\it s} and {\it z} in
>> such words as
>> anathemati\s{}e, cauteri\s{}e, criti\-ci\s{}e,
>> deodori\s{}e, dogmati\s{}e,
>> fraterni\s{}e, and the rest? Many of these are derived from
>> Greek
>> \bye
>>
>> Regards,
>> Khaled
>>
>>
>
>
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