Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?

Thanks! That comes out exactly right, although using math markup for
linguistic purposes is, IMO, a stretch.

Leo

On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark_at_kli.org> wrote:

> |With MathML, you could||use:||
> ||
> ||anathemati||||<math><**mmultiscripts><none/><mi
> mathvariant="roman">s</mi><mi mathvariant="roman">z</mi></**math>| (drop
> that in an HTML document and take a look).
>
> This doesn't look like plain text to me. I don't think it argues in favor
> of any sort of combining Z or general combinator mark. This is just what
> markup is for.
>
> ~mark
>
>
> On 10/01/2013 08:05 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote:
>
>> If my understanding of interlinear annotations is correct, to achieve
>> similarity with the attached sample some markup will be required as well:
>>
>> anathemati^{<U+FFF9>z<U+**FFFA>s<U+FFFB>}e.
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Jean-François Colson <jf_at_colson.eu<mailto:
>> jf_at_colson.eu>> wrote:
>>
>> Le 01/10/13 15:39, Philippe Verdy a écrit :
>>
>>> In plain text, we would just use the [s|z] notation without
>>> care about presentation & font sizes used in the rendered rich
>>> text page. It correctly represent the intended alternation
>>> without giving more importance to one base letter.
>>> But it you wanted to allow plain text search with collators, you
>>> would need to choose one as the base letter and the other
>>> one as a combining diacritic with ignored higher-level
>>> differences, using either US English or British/International
>>> English to fix the base letter (the other letter would be an
>>> interlinear annotation for the second orthography, either above
>>> or below the base letter).
>>>
>>>
>> Interlinear annotation… Yes, of course, you could write
>> anathemati<U+FFF9>z<U+FFFA>s<**U+FFFB>e. Halas, the characters
>> U+FFF9 INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR
>> U+FFFA INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR
>> U+FFFB INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION TERMINATOR
>> are not supported by any software I know.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2013/10/1 Steffen Daode <sdaoden_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:sdaoden_at_gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny_at_eglug.org
>>>
>>> <mailto:khaledhosny_at_eglug.org>**> wrote:
>>> |Using TeX:
>>> |
>>> | \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
>>>
>>> Using groff:
>>>
>>> #!/bin/sh -
>>>
>>> cat << \! > t.tr <http://t.tr>
>>>
>>> .de zs
>>> . nr #1 \\w'z'
>>> \\Z'\
>>> \\v'-.25v's\
>>> \\h'-\\n(#1u'\
>>> \\v'.5v'z\
>>> '\
>>> \\h'\\n(#1u'
>>> . rr #1
>>> ..
>>> Fraterni
>>> .zs
>>> e.
>>> !
>>>
>>> groff t.tr <http://t.tr> > t.ps <http://t.ps>
>>> ps2pdf t.ps <http://t.ps>
>>> rm t.tr <http://t.tr> t.ps <http://t.ps>
>>>
>>> exit 0
>>>
>>> (Can surely be tweaked.)
>>>
>>> |Regards,
>>> |Khaled
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>>
>>> --steffen
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Message transféré ----------
>>> From: Khaled Hosny <khaledhosny_at_eglug.org
>>> <mailto:khaledhosny_at_eglug.org>**>
>>> To: Leo Broukhis <leob_at_mailcom.com <mailto:leob_at_mailcom.com>>
>>>
>>> Cc: unicode Unicode Discussion <unicode_at_unicode.org
>>> <mailto:unicode_at_unicode.org>>
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 11:09:31 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: COMBINING OVER MARK?
>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 05:51:09PM -0700, Leo Broukhis wrote:
>>> > Hi All,
>>> >
>>> > Attached is a part of page 36 of Henry Alford's *The
>>> Queen's English: a
>>> > manual of idiom and usage (1888)* [
>>> > http://archive.org/details/**queensenglishman00alfo<http://archive.org/details/queensenglishman00alfo>
>>> ]
>>> >
>>> > Is the way to indicate alternative s/z spellings used there
>>> plain text
>>> > (arguably, if it can be done with a typewriter, it is plain
>>> text)
>>>
>>> I see a typeset book not an output of a typewriter.
>>>
>>> > or rich text (ignoring the font size of letters s and z)?
>>> >
>>> > If it's the latter, what's the markup to achieve it?
>>>
>>> Using TeX:
>>>
>>> \def\s{${}^{\rm s}_{\rm z}$}
>>>
>>> 49. How are we to decide between {\it s} and {\it z} in
>>> such words as
>>> anathemati\s{}e, cauteri\s{}e, criti\-ci\s{}e,
>>> deodori\s{}e, dogmati\s{}e,
>>> fraterni\s{}e, and the rest? Many of these are derived from
>>> Greek
>>> \bye
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Khaled
>>>
>>>
>>>
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