L2/00-007

2000-02-08

1.                Joint meeting with UTC  January 31 – February 3, 2000 

Agenda            [00-003]

Motions           [00-004]

Minutes          [00-005]

2.                Opening of L2 meeting - remarks from the chair

This is the first day with all even numbers since 28. August 888.

Please give/send me the documents in electronic form for distribution. 

The handed out documents will not be sent again – don't throw them away.

3.                Administrative agenda

3.1.           Attendance and membership

3.1.1.         Membership list  

Paid as of 1/31/2000:  IBM, Lotus, RLG, Sun, Unicode, HP, Compac.

NCR has indicated its interest in joining L2.  Its representative (Albert Maghbouleh) is counted as an observer at this meeting.  An invoice is being sent to NCR (Gary Roberts). 

3.1.2.         Members in jeopardy

Nobody is in jeopardy at this meeting. 

3.1.3.         Attendance

Name	Company	L2 1/31/00	UTC 1/31/00	UTC 2/1/00	UTC 2/2/00	UTC 1/3/00	L2 2/3/00
Aliprand, Joan	RLG				CP	CP	P
Becker, Joe	Xerox		CP	CP	CP
Constable, Peter	SIL Int'l		AM	AM	AM	AM
Davis, Mark	IBM - Taligent	A2	OF	OF	OF	OF	(A2)
Freytag, Asmus	Unicode		OF/2	OF	OF	OF	P
Hart, Edwin	SHARE	P	AM	AM	AM	AM	P
Hiura, Hideki	Sun Microsystems	P	CP	CP
Honomichl, Lloyd	Novell (Int'l.com)		CP	CP	CP
Jenkins, John	Apple	P	CP	CP	CP	CP
Kobayashi, Tatsuo	Justsystem		CP	CP
Ksar, Mike	HP	P	CP	CP	CP	CP	P
Long, Wai-Man	Compaq
Maghbouleh, Albert	NCR	O	CA	CA	CA	CA	O
McGowan, Rick	Apple	A	CA	CA	CA	CA	A
Moore, Lisa	IBM	A	CA	CA	CA	CA	(A)
Sargent, Murray	Microsoft	A	CP	CP	CP
Suignard, Michel	Microsoft	P	CA	CA	CA	CP	P
Texin, Tex	Progress Software	P	CP	CP	CP	CP	P
Umamaheswaran	IBM	P	CP	CP	CP	CP	P
Whistler, Ken	Sybase	P	CP	CP	CP	CP	P
Winkler, Arnold	Unisys	P	CP	CP	CP	CP	P
Wolf, Misha	Reuters
Yang, Jianping	Oracle	P	CP	CP	CP	CP	P

 

For the voting:  10 members are present.  Missing:  Sun, Reuters, Compaq, RLG (present 2/3/2000)

 

3.2.           Officers for L2

3.2.1.         Training needed for VC and IR

Next training on the west coast is in Eureka, CA on July 17, 2000

Lisa and Michel are asked to register as soon as possible.

3.3.           Approval of meetings minutes from October 1999 [99-258]

Approved, no comments

3.4.           Action items follow-up  [SD-2]

The action items have been reviewed in the combined technical meeting of L2 and UTC.  The new list will be posted when completed.

3.5.           Registration of new documents and assignment to agenda

 

3.6.           Approval of agenda [L2/00-006]

The agenda was approved.

3.7.           Next meetings

April 25-28, 2000                       San Jose, Microsoft

August 8-11, 2000                     Boston, Progress

November 7-10, 2000                west (changed)

January 29-February 1, 2001      west

Agreed

4.                Reports from the SC2 and SC22 meetings:

4.1.           SC22/WG20 meeting in Copenhagen, November 8-12, 1999

Resolutions [99-363]

Ken Whistler reports from the WG20 meeting, especially about the ordering standard that will go for FDIS ballot in February 2000.  It has been carefully synchronized with the Unicode collation algorithm, so that ordering results will be the same (no tailoring in 14651). 

Next WG20 meeting is in Québec, May 22-26, 2000

5.                Ballots

5.1.           Ballots to vote :

Doc #	Source	Subject	Type	YES	NO	ABS	N.V.	Com.
99-366	SC2 N3393	Text for CD ballot of ISO/IEC 10646 part 2	CD	9	1	0	4	y
99-370	Winkler	Letter ballot for CD 10646-2	CD
00-020	JTC1 N6040	Request for JTC 1 Approval of Category C Liaison between SC 2 and the (W3C)	Liaison approval	10	0	0	4	y
00-016	IT/00-0010	Re-affirmation of X3.83 L2 proposes to re-affirm for archival !	Re-affirmation	10	0	0	4	y

 

5.2.           Ballot reports:

L2/99-356	Text for CD ballot ISO CD 2375	SC2 N3390		1999-11-15		No
L2/99-357	Text for FCD ballot ISO/IEC FCD 8859-16 – Latin alphabet #10	SC2 N3389		1999-11-15		No
L2/99-368	Letter ballot for CD 2375 (see L2/99-356)		Winkler		1999-11-24		(no)
L2/99-369	Letter ballot for FCD 8859-16 – Latin #10		Winkler		1999-11-24		(no)
L2/99-380	Proposal for a New Work item (NP) to amend the Korean part in ISO/IEC 10646-1 (from the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea)		JTC1 N5999 DPRK		1999-12-07		No
L2/99-362	Proposed modification of SC2 POW		SC2 N3387 JTC1 N5987		1999-11-09		No

 

5.3.           Requests for comments on registration :

L2/99-372 !!! 3.0 MB !!!	Application for registration #228 – Japanese graphic character set, Plane 1	SC2 N3394	1999-11-25	396-D
L2/99-373 !!! 1.8 MB !!!	Application for registration #229 – Japanese graphic character set, Plane 2	SC2 N3395	1999-11-25	1313-L

UTC/L2 agreed on comments and they were sent to NCITS on 2000-02-01

5.4.           Comments on registrations

None since the last meeting

 

6.                Voting on joint UTC/L2 meeting recommendations [00-004]

L2 approves the motions from the combined UTC/L2 technical meeting with the exception, that Apple votes against the motion on mathematics.

7.                Positions for the SC2 and SC22 working group meetings

7.1.           SC2/WG2 (Beijing, March 20-23, 2000)

As defined in the motions of the combined meeting [00-004]

8.                Delegates to SC2 and SC22/WG20 meetings

8.1.           SC2/WG2 (Beijing, March 21-24, 2000)

Whistler, Suignard, Kung, Winkler, Ksar (as convenor)

Add Asmus Freytag, Winkler very unlikely.

8.2.           SC22/WG20 (Quebec, May 22-26, 2000)

Whistler, Davis, Winkler (as convenor)

Send in new nominations for meeting in Greece:  September 11-20, 2000

8.3.           SC2 in Greece (19-20 September 2000)

Whistler, Davis, Moore, Suignard (HoD),Hart, Freytag, Winkler, Aliprand, Ksar

8.4.           SC2/WG2 in Greece (11-15 September 2000)

Whistler, Davis, Moore, Suignard,Hart, Freytag, Winkler, Aliprand, Ksar as convenor

8.5.           SC2/WG3 in Greece (18 September 2000)

Whistler, Davis, Moore, Suignard,Hart, Freytag, Winkler, Aliprand, Ksar;

Discussionabout US being the back-up for the SC2 meeings.  Microsoft would be the back-up for the US.  Ken will check the possibilities to host.

8.6.           Re-affirmation of X3.83 for 5 years  [00-016] or update ?

Affirm with recommendation for archival – if necessary, wait with reporting this decision until NCITS has approved the change in procedures for archiving standards.

8.7.           Information that ISO 2022:1994 and ISO 10538:1991 [SC2 N3399] have been re-affirmed.

FYI

8.8.           Proposed SC 2 Resolution on Transfer of ISO/TC 46/SC 4 Character Sets Projects  [00-022, 99-266, 99-309]

Joan reports.  6 character sets from the library group have been transferred to SC2 since they are represented in 10646.

Registrations for additional character sets from TC46 are needed, but help up by our request that they map to 10646. 

Joan will go to the TC46 meeting in Berlin.  Joan and Ed and Everson have checked these mappings and can submit them to the joint advisory committee of the registration authority.  The mappings will also be discussed at the TC46 and hopefully approved.  Idea is to invite Randy Barry as an expert at the joint advisory group meeting. 

Some characters will not be mapped in TC46 sets.  Latin contractions in TC46 standards are also a issue.  TC46 will discuss the options (map, not map, compatibility mapping). 

Leave the rest there, don't change them, concentrate on the mapping. 

8.9.           ZWL, ZWJ, ZWNJ issue [L2/00-023 , L2/00-024 , L2/99-365 , L2/00-025 ,
 L2/00-026 ]

Handled in the UTC meeting.  No ZW(N)L, discuss further next time.

8.10.       ISO/IEC 10646-1 2^nd edition:  editorial defects in AFII tables and other corrigenda  [L2/00-028]

Done in the UTC

8.11.       Country comments to CEN/TC304 preENV 13710 – European ordering rules  [00-029]

Done in the UTC meeting.  Just information.  Should be a "profile" of ISO 14651. 

8.12.       Remembering Ed Smura

Done in the UTC meeting.  Silent minute, eulogies (Becker, Hart, Ksar), plaque and condolence card. 

8.13.       Japanese, HongKong and Korean unified ideographs  (Paper from Uma and Sargent L2/00-036)

Uma presents the paper that reflects Option #6 from the UTC meeting list.  Advantage for the existing implementations.  Might come up in the Beijing meeting – the US should be prepared for a firm position.  Proposed improvements of the paper:  add example for

Ken: opposed.  Differes from UTC proposal.  Numbers:  open room 6400.  1558 characters ideographs, 1100 math requested – 40% of the free space. 

Rick: opposed to any more ideographs on the BMP

Mark:  IRG is crucial in this situation. 

Asmus:  is there any information if other countries might bring this forward ?  Canada possibly yes.  This has not been discussed in Canada and Uma expects support.

Mike:  Japanese position is important also, there is no contribution. 

Jenkins:  IRG seems not to be enthusiastic about this proposal.  Taiwan and China have no characters in the proposal. 

Suignard:  we can not speculate on IRG opinion.

Orita:  he wants to get Japan to support this proposal. 

Uma:  Propose to approve this paper (L2/00-036) with the editorial modifications and forward it to WG2 .  3:6:0:5  (Asmus is not in the room, Joan Aliprand has come to the meeting).  Motion failed.

9.                Adjournment

Thanks to Apple for hosting the meeting.  Meeting is adjourned.

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